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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogeypop View Post
    I don't want to pick a fight or anything but that is obtuse. To go that far to think that a good player can't become great in the right circumstances. It's a 10 point jump from last year to hit 65. Bouncing around the lines from Carter/Toffoli to Kopitar (roughly 64 pt pace with him and in a defensive system) didn't give him a full year with the best C on the team.

    If you want a more recent example, you can look at Stamkos and St-Louis. Stamkos is a good (closer to great) player but was made great with the help of a linemate. He went from a 90+ to a 70 pt player after he left.

    I obviously realize Lucic is no Stamkos but in the right conditions 11 pts to hit the over to 65 isn't crazy either. Lucic's grit might be the perfect compliment to a player like McDavid. He's hit over 60 twice in his career and raked in the PIMs and has been "calming" over the years so he's on the ice more often. The one thing that may make it so that he doesn't hit it is because he's not going to play against EDM (5 pts in 5 games).

    Of course this all depends on whether he even plays and gels with McDavid. I'm not saying he will hit the over but I wouldn't stake everything I owned on it.
    I am really not being "obtuse"... Yes Lucic played on a "defensive" team, and yes the Oilers are an "offensive" team, but the Oilers did score 30 goals less than the Kings did last year. That means he is moving to a less productive team. 55 points to 65 points is a 16 percent increase. And you are going to use Stamkos/St. Louis as your example? Stamkos is one of the best pure goal scorers in the league, with one of the best one-timers. St. Louis is an amazing set up man; the best set up man that Tampa has ever had. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize that that has the potential to be a deadly combination. Lucic and McDavid aren't the same type of combination.

    Axe, believe me when I say that I am not trying to bash the Oilers. I am from Edmonton and I am a huge fan. I am just trying to be realistic here. Lucic improves the team, but I don't see him having this type of increase.

    I guess we can argue about this all until we are blue in the face. The fact is, that we won't truly know until we see this in action. Despite the fact that a lot of people are suggesting that my argument is wrong, I have yet to see one person here step up and say that they would put money on the "over"... I promise you, the Vegas over/under on Lucic this year will be less than 65.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rylant View Post
    I am really not being "obtuse"... Yes Lucic played on a "defensive" team, and yes the Oilers are an "offensive" team, but the Oilers did score 30 goals less than the Kings did last year. That means he is moving to a less productive team. 55 points to 65 points is a 16 percent increase. And you are going to use Stamkos/St. Louis as your example? Stamkos is one of the best pure goal scorers in the league, with one of the best one-timers. St. Louis is an amazing set up man; the best set up man that Tampa has ever had. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize that that has the potential to be a deadly combination. Lucic and McDavid aren't the same type of combination.

    Axe, believe me when I say that I am not trying to bash the Oilers. I am from Edmonton and I am a huge fan. I am just trying to be realistic here. Lucic improves the team, but I don't see him having this type of increase.

    I guess we can argue about this all until we are blue in the face. The fact is, that we won't truly know until we see this in action. Despite the fact that a lot of people are suggesting that my argument is wrong, I have yet to see one person here step up and say that they would put money on the "over"... I promise you, the Vegas over/under on Lucic this year will be less than 65.

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    24 goals less....

    im calling it at 65... $50 to a charity of the others choosing?

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    iuonno lucic wont take the puck out of his zone, so no secondary assist, he wont keep up with mcdav8d speed, so not many 2v1 opportunity, he wont setup mcdavid either so i dont expect 40+a
    he wont touch the puck on the powerplay but will get some goals on rebound and crash the net type of play, if he plays with mcdavid he will have to play vs the best D unit 24/7 vs splitting time with 2 lines team ( la and boston)
    all in all i think lucic in edm is a real life upgrade but not a game breaker in fantasy reality
    i would bet under 65pts but not by much ( 60 would be my over under)
    he eill still b a beast in multicat but look for +- to suck ass compared the usual +30
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    Good read from Lowtide on Lucic signing.

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    I don't see Lucic putting up a Cheechoo like season, but it's not a long shot to say he has a chance to beat his season high total in points this season.. 65 or more would be a super season for Lucic and all the stars would probably have to align for it to come to fruition.. But anything could happen I guess..
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    What kind of a last 10 games does Lucic have in him???

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    24 points in 11 games. I'm taking the under and will bet everything Rylant did in July...
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    Wish I would have seen this thread in the summer lol.

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    Why must we revive old threads?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ericdaoust View Post
    Why must we revive old threads?
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    There was some sort of agreement to review the opinions so it's legit in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericdaoust View Post
    Why must we revive old threads?
    You don't think we should look at old threads in which predictions are made? That's part of the fun, no?

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    42 points with 10 games to go... what charity are you choosing Sulla?

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    Happy to go with the concensus ��

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