Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
Just a thought that I am seeking some guidance on. I have the 3OA and 4OA picks in the upcoming draft. #3 will be Puljujarvi and at #4 I will most likely have the choice of guys like Tkachuk, Dubois, Alex Nylander, Aho, Trochek and others. Would you keep Pulju and one of the others or make a move for Laine? I think this will most likely be my best shot at Laine, and I tend to prefer quality over quantity (goal heavy scoring system) but maybe the fantasy impact between Laine and Pulju doesn't warrant loosing a guy like Tkachuk or Aho or Dubois. Thoughts?
10 teams, weekly matchup, play 3LW, 3C, 3RW, 4D, 2G per night
Scoring for skaters: G (4), A (2.5), +/- (.5), BLKS (.2), HITS (.2), SOG (.2), PIMS (.25), PPG (1), PPA (.5), SHG (3), GWG (1)
Scoring for goalies: W (3), S/O (5), SV(0.2), GA(-1)
Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
Is this for the league in your signature? If so, I would do that deal. Only 10 teams without very deep rosters, I would definitely want quality over quantity. I do think Pulju is very close to Laine, but in a goal-heavy league he is far and away the better choice.Originally Posted by pier_hockey
Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
I'm with rstr on this. Jump on it. Maybe see if you can get a late round pick back too or something to balance the numbers.
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Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
yes, its for the league in sig. We keep 5 veterans and 5 rookies.
10 teams, weekly matchup, play 3LW, 3C, 3RW, 4D, 2G per night
Scoring for skaters: G (4), A (2.5), +/- (.5), BLKS (.2), HITS (.2), SOG (.2), PIMS (.25), PPG (1), PPA (.5), SHG (3), GWG (1)
Scoring for goalies: W (3), S/O (5), SV(0.2), GA(-1)
Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
Yeah looks like a nobrainer
Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
Go for it
14 team h/h dynasty
Stats, G A PTS PIM +/- PPP SHP GWG shts TOI hts/blks W sv% gaa SO
$89 mill salary cap, cap hits
minors- players under 60 gms, goalies under 30 gms
3c 3lw 3rw 4d 2util 1goal
max 23 plyr rstr, 15 minors
CENTERS Kuznetsov, Necas, Petterson, Hughes, D.Strome, Seguin, Hayes, Scheifele
LEFTWING Gaudreau, Mantha, Forsberg, Keller
RIGHTWING Kakko , Debrincat, Thomas, Konecny
D-MEN Girard, Provorov, McCavoy, Dobson, Makar
GOALIES Gibson, Shesterkin, Sorokin
IR
MINORS Brannstrom, Kostin, Dennisenko, Kaprizov, Tippett, Cozens, Tolvanen, Zegras, Byfield , Vessalainen, K.Miller, Kyrou, Janik, Bokk, Lundell, Heinola, Hoglander, Lundkvist
Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
This would be a terrible deal for you. There's still a solid chance that Puljujarvi is a better fantasy asset than Laine even in a goal heavy league. There's no way I would be willing to add the 4th overall pick to get first choice of the two Finns this year.
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Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
Flip a coin. If YOU FEEL Laine is goin to be the best of the two, then pull the trigger. If you're of the much valid, but lesser supported mind set that Pujl will be =\> LAine, then no... ChuckCouples is right. This is a definite over payment.
Personally I feel Laine is the better asset and will continue is to be the better assert (as do the vast majority of critics and scouts it seem) that said, I'm not confident in saying the difference will be vast enough to warrant tossing in the #4 as the kicker. Who really can say that.
Either way, I'd wait until they land on their respected teams and then make the sports gut call.
Good luck!
(I will be drafting Laine with my #2 pick and I've not given it another thought. But it's not costing me #4 to do so.
Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
I'm a huge Puljujarvi booster. I think he's honestly a better player than Laine both as a complete player and honestly offensively. He's pretty much outscored Laine every step of the way, OUTSIDE the start of the regular season. Even in the playoffs he had a better PPG than Laine, and I think this idea that he's the more complete player has impacted how people view him offensively. They see the complete label and think he must not be a highly offensively talent player. Which I think is very wrong. But what I think doesn't really matter.
Ultimately I agree with HavanaBlast saying go with your gut. You know your league best, and chances are you probably have a good idea of what you want to do. But you came here looking for advice to help you make that decision, so I'll offer you what I would do in your position.
As a choice between Laine and Puljujarvi in your league I take Laine. He's a better fit for you with your league categories and stats. With it being goal heavy, Laine has a step in putting up more points than Puljujarvi, even though I think Puljujarvi will put up better point totals. Laine's ability to score goals outweights Pulj's ability to put up points. If he goes to Winnipeg, he'll be placed in a likely prime position to succeed with a talent center (Scheifele or Little) and he'll be in a situation where he can succeed a little better. Puljujarvi, if he goes to CBJ, will have a more difficult time putting up numbers early as he'll have less to work with. That's not a huge deal long term, but it will impact his totals this season.
Not for that trade? That's tough. That's a big cost to move up but it could be worth it. Does your league keep players under a certain games played limit? Will you even be able to keep the player you pick with the 4th overall pick? If not, I'm trading it right away.
14T BiWeekly H2H. 4 C/RW/LW, 6 D, 2 G
Cats:G(3), A(1.5), PIM(0.2), PPP(1), SOG(0.2), GWG(1), SHP(2), Hits(0.3), BkS(0.4). W(2), SO(2), OTL(0.5), SV(0.2), GA(-1), L(-1). 9 Keepers in Bold. 12 player Farm team (skaters under 110, goalies under 80 gp) in italics
LW - Gaudreau, Forsberg, Parise, Hyman (C)
C - Backstrom, Getzlaf, N Foligno (LW/RW), Kotkaniemi, Carter (LW/RW)
RW - Tarasenko, Rantanen, Arvidsson, Atkinson, Gourde (C/LW), Mikheyev (RW)
D - Dahlin, Theodore, Ellis, Klingberg, Fox, Andersson
G - Murray, Grubauer
Prospects -Rossi, Turcotte, Kravstov, Tippett, Bouchard, Lehtonen, K Miller, Addison, DeSmith, Kahkonen, Ingram, Gustavsson
Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
to OP: What defines "rookie" in this league? Can you move them to your main team back-and-forth within a season? Or is it "once they're up, they stay up"?
A keep 5 veterans, keep 5 rookies puts a lot of value on rookies... because it's like extra keepers.
I'm trying to envision this as a 2-for-2 deal:
Laine + scrub rookie
vs.
Puljujarvi + Tkachuk
If it's "once they are up, they must stay up", then I like Laine.
If you can flex them up & down or keep them on your rookie side for a long time... then I prefer Pulju & Tkachuk.
So... it depends on what "rookie" means and how you can use that type of player.
Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
In our league, a rookie is any player who has played less than 170 games in the NHL. We can keep 5 rookies from year to year. Our league scoring system is based on a weekly matchup where we set daily lines. The number of rookies we can play per night depends on the veteran-to-rookie ratio that makes up our 25 man roster. For example, 20 veterans and 5 rookies = 0 rookies can be plugged into the line-up. 19 veterans and 6 rookies enables us to play 1 rookie any given night. 18 veterans and 7 rookies means a team can plug 2 rookies into the lineup. 17 veterans and 8 rookies = 3 rookies can be played per night. I tend to roll with a roster made up of 17 veterans and 8 rookies which allows me get more man-games played per week by rotating 3 rookies in the line up per night. Does this make sense? Its kind of like a farm system but not. So I could pick Tkachuk who might not play much this year but since we have to have 5 rookies minimum, I could move him up and down depending on if he is playing or not. Plus we can keep 5 rookies under 170 NHL games. So rookies are pretty valuable in our league. Does Pulju in Edmonton make a difference?
10 teams, weekly matchup, play 3LW, 3C, 3RW, 4D, 2G per night
Scoring for skaters: G (4), A (2.5), +/- (.5), BLKS (.2), HITS (.2), SOG (.2), PIMS (.25), PPG (1), PPA (.5), SHG (3), GWG (1)
Scoring for goalies: W (3), S/O (5), SV(0.2), GA(-1)
Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
We keep 5 veterans (above 170 NHL games) and 5 rookies (below 170 NHL games). So yes I could keep whoever I pick at #4 for the next few seasons.
10 teams, weekly matchup, play 3LW, 3C, 3RW, 4D, 2G per night
Scoring for skaters: G (4), A (2.5), +/- (.5), BLKS (.2), HITS (.2), SOG (.2), PIMS (.25), PPG (1), PPA (.5), SHG (3), GWG (1)
Scoring for goalies: W (3), S/O (5), SV(0.2), GA(-1)
Re: Package picks 3OA and 4OA for #2 Laine?
With JP in EDM and Tkachuk in CGY, I would prefer these two in my team...
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