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    I picked up Zack Kassian for a dollar a couple weeks ago, and someone on this forum recently told me "I'd drop Kassian for anyone on the board."

    In 10 games this year Kassian has 2 goals, 2 assists and 16 shots, which are not the most impressive offensive numbers. But he also has 37 hits and 43 PIMs, both of which are stats counted in my league.

    Was I given bad advice, or is Kassian really a no-brainer drop candidate in my league? Is he highly likely to run into off ice issues again, or could he possibly have it figured out? Does he have offensive potential that is higher than .4 PPG and 1.6 Shots PG? While maintaining the peripheral stats?

    Having a guy who gets a ton of hits and PIMs helps a lot in my league because it allows me to put out scoring specialists without sacrificing categories. At 24 years old and $2 to keep he seems like a good risk to me, with potential to be a Milan Lucic-Lite type player. Lucic was drafted for $39 in my league so obviously getting anywhere near his production for $2 would be fantastic.

    So, I am interested to hear what you all think. Is Zack Kassian a potential multicat stud, or a virtual certainty to be a dud? % chance of sustained useful production?

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    I think "stud" is over-reaching, but he could turn out to be a useful multi-cat guy. He is a knucklehead in his personal life so that has to be factored in, maybe 50/50 that he is a useful player. The Oilers really look like shit the past couple of games, so team improvement will also be a factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Glatt View Post
    I think "stud" is over-reaching, but he could turn out to be a useful multi-cat guy. He is a knucklehead in his personal life so that has to be factored in, maybe 50/50 that he is a useful player. The Oilers really look like shit the past couple of games, so team improvement will also be a factor.
    I was thinking the same thing. To call him a stud right now is a tad premature, all things considered. That being said, he has certainly turned it around in his short time with the Oilers.
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    First off I must know if Lucic went for $39 and Backstrom went for $37 how much did Ovechkin, Benn etc go for? Talk about over paying for hits and PIMS if you ask me.

    Kassian could be a useful contributor he will rack up the PIMs and Hits will chip in a few points along the way as well. If he get's his personal life sorted out he could be useful like Chris Neil was past seasons. For a buck in deepish leagues I'd make the play.
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    First, my apologies. I meant for the title to say "Potential multicat stud". Obviously he is not there yet. And "stud" is probably too strong a word for his absolute ceiling anyways. I was more wondering whether he could be a contributor on par with a Scott Hartnell or Wayne Simmonds if he hits.

    I was wrong about Lucic - he went for $31. Ovi was kept for $78, Benn was kept for a bargain $27. Lucky bastard owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadManPanarin View Post
    First, my apologies. I meant for the title to say "Potential multicat stud". Obviously he is not there yet. And "stud" is probably too strong a word for his absolute ceiling anyways. I was more wondering whether he could be a contributor on par with a Scott Hartnell or Wayne Simmonds if he hits.

    I was wrong about Lucic - he went for $31. Ovi was kept for $78, Benn was kept for a bargain $27. Lucky bastard owner.
    I am not sure that Kassian has the offensive ability that Hartnell and Simmonds do. But he is still young and relatively untested. I think he will probably not be a 50-60 pt guy like those two, but could someday turn out to be a 200-hit/200 PM guy.

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    Straight-up his multi-cat numbers have always been solid but for a bunch of reasons he's never been reliable. Steve Downie has also been a multi-cat monster for years but he keeps finding ways into the coach's doghouse (and now the AHL).


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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadManPanarin View Post
    First, my apologies. I meant for the title to say "Potential multicat stud". Obviously he is not there yet. And "stud" is probably too strong a word for his absolute ceiling anyways. I was more wondering whether he could be a contributor on par with a Scott Hartnell or Wayne Simmonds if he hits.

    I was wrong about Lucic - he went for $31. Ovi was kept for $78, Benn was kept for a bargain $27. Lucky bastard owner.
    Holy inflation rate Batman!

    I've got to imagine that buddy with O-Show has a very star/scrubs looking roster. That's over a quarter of your salary on one player!

    Now I've got to get myself into an auction to see what that's all about. My auction experience is limited to fantasy baseball and if you spend that much on a ball player you will finish last. Simple as that.
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    I was actually just coming to the forums to see if anyone is posting about him. I am also considering picking him up. I need hits and PIMs bad and it seems like he can also pitch in offensively.
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    At a low cost this guy is absolutely worth it because the damage done if he fails is minimal.


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    I don't think he has the offensive potential of Hartnell and Simmonds but he's still young and might become a solid depth contributor. For such a cheap price, I think it would be worth taking a shot

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    Nobody can tell you whether or not he'll get into off-ice issues again lol...anyone who tries is bs'ing through their teeth.

    I will say this about Kassian - he shows flashes of brilliance. But it's often meshed into many moments of "wtf was he thinking". If he's able to be had for cheap in relatively deeper leagues, then it could be worth taking a shot on him. Not sure how much space there is in Edmonton's lineup though - don't they already have their top-9 set now that McDavid and Yakupov are back? Anyhow, Kassian knows it's probably his last shot in the league, so there probably is some extra motivation there compared to stints with other teams. I think ultimately he could end up being a 10-15 goal 35-45 point player with a lot of PIM, but I'm not sure he'll be anything more than that.

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    Kasssian has been getting a lot of praise from the coaching staff and media since he came over. Granted that was before Sunday where he got into some kind of fight (turned the game off at 5-0) that apparently may have broke the code or something. He provides a mix of grit and enough skill that the Oilers simply don't have in their top-9. I think he'll play out the rest of the season on the 2nd/3rd line and could get a year or two extension in Edmonton.

    I'd put him down for 35 points, 200 Hits and 100 PIMs, with a -10 or so +/-. In a league like yours I think he's worth holding on to as the ability to find that on the wire for $2 is probably pretty low.
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    Hits and PIMs are Kassian's upside, IMO. Think he might be able to chip in with 10-15 goals a year and possibly a dozen assists, but that's assuming the Oilers extend him or another team rolls the dice on him come July.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M_Vandenbrand View Post
    Holy inflation rate Batman!

    I've got to imagine that buddy with O-Show has a very star/scrubs looking roster. That's over a quarter of your salary on one player!

    Now I've got to get myself into an auction to see what that's all about. My auction experience is limited to fantasy baseball and if you spend that much on a ball player you will finish last. Simple as that.
    Totally depends on what the rest of your roster looks like. In Ovi's owner's case he is in 2nd place in the league, with 3rd place being a good margin lower than him. He kept Patrick Kane for $49, Patrice Bergeron for $21, Duchene for $4, Faulk for $2, Carlson for $3, Steen for $5, so he is making up a lot of the cost of Ovie by having good value contracts on other guys.

    The key to an auction keeper league like this is to build through picking up the right guys up on cheap contracts through draft, free agency, and trades, and then having them locked in for life at low prices. Then go about filling out the balance of your roster with expensive one year players in the draft or by making trades at deadline.

    As you can see my team is loaded with cheap guys, some of whom have already hit and some who are still just prospects. If guys like Draisatil, Domi, Ehlers, and Burakovsky turn into stars like Panarin, Klingberg and Josi have... then I will be in good position to add 2-3 guys like Ovie, Crosby, Malkin, Karlsson, etc. in the draft and be very competitive despite having several outrageous contracts on the books. That's the plan, anyways... We'll see how it works out.

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