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    I am in a 10 team keep 6 Yahoo Roto league. I finished 2nd last year and have been first almost the entire season (but it is close right now)

    We have no limit on positions to keep and no plans to reset keepers every so many years. I have the following keepers on my roster (league stats in my signature) Prospects are very rarely kept in our league.

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    I can keep either Shattenkirk or Kucherov as my sixth keeper.

    I talked to the Tyler Johnson owner who needs to upgrade his keeper list. I think I can get Tyler Johnson for N. Backstrom and a mid round pick from the other manager. I like the 5v5 scoring, huge +/- for the second line, and upside for Johnson.

    So the question is Tyler Johnson +12th round pick (6th round of the re-draft) for Nick Backstrom? Would you do this trade?
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    Yeah, I don't see anyone here moving Backstrom for Johnson in a keeper. Too much uncertainty with Johnson to risk everything based on one season.
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    I wouldn't even consider that offer.

    Backstrom is about as steady as they come, perennial PPG+ threat playing with the best goal scorer in the league.

    Johnson has had a nice year, but he has to hit 70 again before I consider him a constant 70+ point threat.

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    April fools joke?
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    No not a joke, I wish it was......I guess just egg on my face. We all have that player or team we get all hung up on. Well last year I had Palat and Johnson. They were a big part of me coming in 2nd. I had Palat this year but traded for Kucherov. I really like that line and the team is really deep. I think Kucherov and Johnson have big upside when they get some more TOI/PP TOI

    I nixed the trade offer the first time it came across. I let him know that Backstrom was my only Forward keeper and I wouldn't want to move him. This trade has been in the back of my head for a few days.
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    Backstrom’s perceived value by every GM that doesn’t own him is terrible. They see him as a 65-70pt center all the time. Meanwhile he gets 80pts almost every season.

    If you were to trade him, you’re doing it at a bad spot because he has gone ice cold the last 2 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hipcheck View Post
    We all have that player or team we get all hung up on.
    This is why it's a good idea to use the forum... helps you take emotion out of the equation and stick to logic...


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    Damn. Good job for checking here first. Keep backstrom.
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    Hang on to Backstrom he doesn't get the respect around fantasy leagues (or the NHL for that matter) that he deserves. As an owner of him myself you'll never have someone offer you fair value for him, least I've never gotten it.
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    Seems like the only person in the world that respects Backstrom is a guy that I did a trade with a few years back in a sim league. Basically I acquired a concussed Crosby for Backstrom+ which was risky but definitely a case of Backstrom being valued highly.


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    I flipped Eberle for Backstrom striaght up to an owner with RNH the year of the lockout. It worked out quite nicely

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    I got Backstrom in prolly my best team changing trade. My M.Richards (when on LA) + Skinner for his Backstrom + Voracek 2 yrs ago.
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    I drafred Backstrom this year in the 4th round of our new keeper. I was floored when he made it to me that late (I would have taken him in the 3rd if MacKinnon hadn't slipped).

    He's likely the most underrated top forward in the league. Consistently puts up top 10-20 numbers but only gets treated like a top 50-ish player. In comparision, Parise, Neal and even Sharp were taken before Backstrom in our new KEEPER (And all these guys ae seasoned managers, no slouches). To me that's insane.

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    If it's a multi-cat league then it's not insane. Backstrom is good for assists and PP but if you got other stuff like goal-heavy cats, sog, hits, pim then it all factors in. Think of Backstrom as a younger Henrik Sedin and that's the type of production to expect from him. Pts only league Backstrom would be ranked higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gainerama View Post
    If it's a multi-cat league then it's not insane. Backstrom is good for assists and PP but if you got other stuff like goal-heavy cats, sog, hits, pim then it all factors in. Think of Backstrom as a younger Henrik Sedin and that's the type of production to expect from him. Pts only league Backstrom would be ranked higher.

    Agreed, it does depend on the league settings.

    Seemingly these days most leagues have PPP and HITS included. Backstrom is elite when it comes to PPP. He also very quietly produced 0.97 hits/gm since 2009-10 (when yahoo started keeping this data). It's not earth-shattering by any means, but when your star players can contibute at that rate it can be huge. In comparison Henrik has only produced 0.33 hits/gm over that same span.

    Essentially, he's an elite player for assists, points, PPP and FOW. He's average in Hits. He's below average in goals and PIM. Depends on league settings, but most "standard" leagues hes a top 25 player.

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