Traded Subban and Bergeron for Stamkos, good deal? REP given

[fisherboy7]

Team and league details in the signature. I just pulled off a monster deal sending PK Subban and Patrice Bergeron for Steven Stamkos. I figured when Hedman gets back I'll still be solid at D, and my offense needed some more firepower.

How did I do???

[2014olympicgold]

The only thing you might of lost was hits, But it is an awful lot to pay for a big name, but you do have to pay for it. And in a limited keeper league you want the best player in the deal, so I approve,

[Dikoi]

*Two thumbs up*

[forsbergfan]

imo great deal for u. never that hard in fantasy to replace dmen, and stamkos is the 2nd best player in the league. easy win here.

[davidgoodburn]

You probaby lose this deal. Subban is an elite D man and with both PIMs and hits is very valuable, probably as valuable if not slightly more valuable than Stamkos.
I wish I had Pengwin's number crunching to back me up here.
At any rate this is not a landslide win or even a win at all.

Elite Cs are more common than Elite D so I'd say it's a poor deal for you.

[Canucks_fan18]

I disagree there are always surprises on D every IE Brodie, Vatanen etc... Stamkos is a top 5 asset and I think you barely paid enough to get him. When I traded him I got at the time two top 20 forwards, and two top 50 forwards. I now look back at that trade in disgust and wish I still had Stammer.

[davidgoodburn]

Fantasy Hockey Geek Number Crunch with league categories (G,A,PPP,+/-,SOG,PIM,HIT) (I have assumed 2/2/2/4 for starting positions)

Based on Dobber Projections

1 Alex Ovechkin WSH RW 140 79 50 34 10 51 380 41 205
2 Sidney Crosby PIT C 125 77 35 70 20 48 255 35 45
3 P.K. Subban MTL D 120 80 13 50 10 79 213 33 130
4 Erik Karlsson OTT D 108 78 21 50 10 38 260 27 115
5 Dustin Byfuglien WPG RW/D 106 75 19 34 -10 91 249 21 205
6 Claude Giroux PHI C/RW 101 81 27 57 10 40 236 36 90
7 Steven Stamkos TBL C 101 80 47 37 20 62 280 24 110

Based on Dobber Projections plus actuals to date

Rank Player FHG Value GP G A +/- PIM SOG PPP HITS
1 Sidney Crosby PIT C 139 77 41 69 20 50 261 43 49
2 Alex Ovechkin WSH RW 127 79 49 29 6 48 370 38 232
3 Dion Phaneuf TOR D 126 81 8 30 12 140 167 19 231
4 P.K. Subban MTL D 124 80 16 44 11 94 208 27 137
5 Dustin Byfuglien WPG RW/D 118 75 18 28 -1 120 244 16 218
6 Ryan Getzlaf ANA C 116 79 23 66 25 67 199 28 108
7 Justin Hodgman ARI C 113 68 61 0 0 122 61 61 183
8 Erik Karlsson OTT D 110 78 23 48 4 31 285 29 108
9 Corey Perry ANA RW 110 81 48 33 28 98 274 24 78
10 Chris Kunitz PIT LW 108 80 33 39 24 62 209 24 188
11 Shea Weber NSH D 106 80 24 33 11 54 210 22 179
12 Claude Giroux PHI C/RW 106 81 25 62 12 35 268 38 84
13 David Backes STL C/RW 102 79 27 28 16 96 192 19 253
14 Milan Lucic BOS LW 100 79 21 36 19 121 138 15 232
15 Steven Stamkos TBL C 99 80 47 34 12 55 291 26 103

I have not included the projections based on actuals to date b/c the discrepancy was too large Subban 20th or so, Stamkos 60th or so.

Elite D are incredibly valuable in multicat leagues

[2014olympicgold]

The stats that make Subban “better” than Stamkos are the stats that can be easily replaced with a WW d-man.

In fantasy hockey it’s roughly 24 weeks. Stamkos + Franson (WW) per week will do:
0.5goals more, 0.58assists less, 0.4+/- less, 0.95PIMs less, 2 shots less, 8 more hits.

The way things are going in Boston, I don’t see Bergeron meeting his FHG projections. Franson has been meeting his hits for sure. This is a fair deal because Subban brings categories to the table that can be replaced by a WW guy.

[davidgoodburn]

The stats that make Subban “better” than Stamkos are the stats that can be easily replaced with a WW d-man.

In fantasy hockey it’s roughly 24 weeks. Stamkos + Franson (WW) per week will do:
0.5goals more, 0.58assists less, 0.4+/- less, 0.95PIMs less, 2 shots less, 8 more hits.

The way things are going in Boston, I don’t see Bergeron meeting his FHG projections. Franson has been meeting his hits for sure. This is a fair deal because Subban brings categories to the table that can be replaced by a WW guy.

So in a typical week making this trade would lead to a 2-3 record based on his original position (I am willing to throw out +/- here since its not reliable). Sure goals are the hardest to come by but at the end of the day they are still worth 1 point per week same as every other stat.

I am willing to concede that it is a fair deal for the OP, close enough that I would not fault him for taking it if he prefers Stamkos. The point is that Stamkos is not obviously the BPA here and its not a slam dunk win.

[GoNucks]

I think this is a great example of gotta give to get however the key to they deal is what the poster said and not yet been commented on.

They key to this deal is Hedmans return off IR o fill void of Subban. When Hedman got off IR you would have had to drop someone, so making a 2 for 1 deal is extremely intelligent to get something rather than dropping a player.

To upgrade Bergeron to Stamkos and you can replace Subban with Hedmans return this is a fantastic trade. You do give a lot in Subban but the gain of Stamkos and filling Subban void once Hedman is healthy is a great win for you.

[2014olympicgold]

So in a typical week making this trade would lead to a 2-3 record based on his original position (I am willing to throw out +/- here since its not reliable). Sure goals are the hardest to come by but at the end of the day they are still worth 1 point per week same as every other stat.

I am willing to concede that it is a fair deal for the OP, close enough that I would not fault him for taking it if he prefers Stamkos. The point is that Stamkos is not obviously the BPA here and its not a slam dunk win.

until Hedman come's back to take over the WW like gonucks said. Shots, assists, and +/- (wash) should take over the Subban side then.

This is a good trade for now, but a better trade considering he shipped 1 keeper, and 1 boarderline keeper, for Stamkos. Also now allows him to keep Drouin if he pleases

[davidgoodburn]

until Hedman come's back to take over the WW like gonucks said. Shots, assists, and +/- (wash) should take over the Subban side then.

THe problem is that he was never dropping Hedman. He inserts in the lineup either way. If you want to take this approach and assume he would have dropped a D when Hedman returns you get:

Subban and Bergeron for Stamkos and Severson. Severson doesn't tilt the trade for me either way. Maybe he's good all year, maybe he becomes an equivalent to WW defenceman.

If OP's preference is that he would rather have strength at C than at D that's fine, its a close enough deal that I could understand his preference.