Voracek potential

[BO STUDLEY]

Where do you guys see him points wise hitting his ceiling? Do you think he is line dependent on giroux?

[Sherpa]

As a Voracek owner, I've been watching him quite a while now and I think you're looking at his ceiling right now. 60-65 points.

And yes, his production is dependent on lining up with Giroux. But PHI locks those two together at the hip so I wouldn't worry (too much) about JV losing G as a linemate.

[agentzero]

I think he can reach 75 on assists in his best year and playing with Giroux should help that. I ceho above and I think it's reasonable to expect 65 though, on a yearly basis. If you do that, you won't be disappointed.

[0PucksGiven]

he is going to be a 60-70 point guy with potential to hit 75 occasionally.

35-35 guy

is he dependent on Giroux? sure it helps but he can also create offence on his own. He is a great player and has the pedigree to match, Dont forget his almost PPG pace in the shortened lockout season.

[loco man]

I think this year he takes another step forward into what will likely be his peak. PPG last half after a brutal start for the whole squad and cemented on top line and PP with Giroux. Still only 24 years old

70 points this year and within 5 points either side of that from now on

[Fast Tony DeNiro]

Voracek does rely on Giroux a bit, but he's not a bum. He can definitely create his own offense, it's just of course playing with one of the best players in the league can't hurt.

I'd agree, expect 60-65 and you won't be disappointed. But in a perfect year, I could see him get to 75.

[agentzero]

he is going to be a 60-70 point guy with potential to hit 75 occasionally.

35-35 guy

is he dependent on Giroux? sure it helps but he can also create offence on his own. He is a great player and has the pedigree to match, Dont forget his almost PPG pace in the shortened lockout season.

I agree with this but see less goals for him.. He hasn't scored 30 goals since junior and is much more a setup guy. I'd say 25-27G in his best years but lots of assists.

I would also be wary of that lockout year, as many players had pt/g if not close to pt/g seasons that year.

Also, you have a sick fantasy squad Hanna14

[0PucksGiven]

I agree with this but see less goals for him.. He hasn't scored 30 goals since junior and is much more a setup guy. I'd say 25-27G in his best years but lots of assists.

I would also be wary of that lockout year, as many players had pt/g if not close to pt/g seasons that year.

Also, you have a sick fantasy squad Hanna14

I had watched quite a few of the Flyers games last year and i noticed that the way the PP was set up it was for Voracek to get a one-time in the high R/W slot. for this reason alone i was thinking he would produce more goals.

thanks Agent Zero, it took some good trades to get that team and the league is only coming into its second year so i hope to be a force for the next few years !

[SeaDawg]

Considering he just had a 62 pt season (preceded by a season where he was just under PPG over 48 games), I think it is safe to say his upside is around 70-75 pts. That isn't to say he will get there, but I think if Giroux plays all season like he did in the second half last year, he will easily pull Voracek into the 70 pt range. Again, we are only talking about 8 more pts for Voracek, which is nothing.

As for what others are saying, Voracek definitely excels with Giroux and his upside can only be fully achieved while playing with Giroux, but that doesn't mean Voracek is worthless on his own. He is a very good hockey player on his own.

I also think there is very little chance the two don't continue playing together, considering they elevate each other's game (though admittedly moreso in Voracek's case).

[jcairns]

13 players hit 75 points last year - and no, Voracek is not that talented.
65 peak, maybe skim 70 in his best year.

I'll eat my fist if Voracek breaks past 70 at any point.

[arctic_rogue]

I see him a 65-70 point guy too.

[agentzero]

13 players hit 75 points last year - and no, Voracek is not that talented.
65 peak, maybe skim 70 in his best year.

I'll eat my fist if Voracek breaks past 70 at any point.

Open up, it's coming one day. :P

Pick something more reasonable to eat and I will take that bet.

[jcairns]

Open up, it's coming one day. :P

Pick something more reasonable to eat and I will take that bet.

Fine! A raw onion. To clarify, I said he might skim 70 in his best year. So let's say if he hits 72 points or above, I eat a raw onion.

[SeaDawg]

13 players hit 75 points last year - and no, Voracek is not that talented.
65 peak, maybe skim 70 in his best year.

I'll eat my fist if Voracek breaks past 70 at any point.

You are going to be that adamant that Voracek can't get 70 pts after scoring 62 last year? When you consider the absolutely horrible start both he and Giroux had through the first 15 games (4 pts for Voracek and 7 pts for Giroux), I think it is completely plausible that Voracek breaks 70. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to be so entirely certain that a player can't increase his point totals by 8 pts (when that player is only now entering his prime) seems a bit odd to me.

[jcairns]

You are going to be that adamant that Voracek can't get 70 pts after scoring 62 last year? When you consider the absolutely horrible start both he and Giroux had through the first 15 games (4 pts for Voracek and 7 pts for Giroux), I think it is completely plausible that Voracek breaks 70. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to be so entirely certain that a player can't increase his point totals by 8 pts (when that player is only now entering his prime) seems a bit odd to me.

Just an opinion, and I may very well be wrong.

But I also don't think you can cherry pick data by saying "they started slow". That's like saying player x had a 10 game cold spell... if he avoided that he would have hit x points. Every player hits cold spells, and that is part of what makes up their season and point totals. You can just as easily argue that the pace he and Giroux went on after that cold spell was ridiculous and a bit of an over performance. Who knows.
I'm going with: expect 60-68 points, with his career season maybe hitting 69-72 - once. Could I be wrong? Absolutely.