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    Quote Originally Posted by bondon View Post
    I mean...you can't really say it would be two outs with Barney up and a runner at third because what if Travis hits dead to third and buddy goes third to second. I know, I'm going with one of the worst case scenarios right here but I don't think it's really fair to assume things go even marginally okay either.

    I'm fine with the call. I still think it's pathetic that players can't bunt. It is a fundamental skill that should be practiced by everyone. Drilled into them. Every practice, end every BP with 10 bunt attempts. It's really, REALLY not that hard. If you PRACTICE. And I say this as a former player.

    It's like a basketball player that can't shoot free throws. Stand at the ****ing line and shoot.

    This has been a major pet peeve of mine in sports. Skills that can be practiced should never be a limiting factor, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWhale View Post
    Shooting free throws is more mental than physical skill. I understand why people think things like bunting and shooting free throws are super easy things to do and every single player should have these basic tools but it's a much more difficult task than given credit for.

    Back to the sac bunt and this is a question I have for anyone who liked the call, why not take 3 cracks at driving in the runner on 2nd rather than trying twice?
    I mean I can't speak to the free throws from experience as I never played basketball at any competitive level, but I have talked to people who have and they say it is a fundamental skill. Obviously for some guys there are complications due to disproportionate size as I understand it but on the whole...With respect to the bunt, it 100% is a fundamental skill that can be practiced, and I'm not talking out of my ass here. One of these days head to the park early and watch BP and tell me how many guys end their BP session with some practice bunting.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying EVERY player needs to be an AMAZING bunter. But to me unless you're hitting in the 3 4 or even 5 spot (probably 2 as well but it would nice to have that skill set just in case) you should be reliable enough to be called upon to lay down a bunt and at least put a good showing out.

    Of course, it's easier said than done to bunt a 99 mph fastball as you said - that I agree with for sure. But you can tell a lot of these guys just don't look comfortable at all in those scenarios, or try to be cheeky and do shit they aren't supposed to in order to try and stretch out a single. You saw it in that AB. Travis should have squared up to properly lay the bunt down on the first attempt and instead he tried to be sneaky about it and square up late and was completely unprepared when the ball got to the plate. Trust me, this isn't a "it's a hard thing to do" issue. It's a mentality and an ego-driven issue.

    As for your question, there are merits to both arguments for sure. I mean going up to the plate and swinging away is obviously the more high risk high reward play and I wouldn't fault someone for giving it a shot...but the sac bunt is just the safer play as I'm sure you understand to minimize risk - assuming the guy can lay it down. Breaking up the double play, putting yourself in a position to score on a wild pitch, putting yourself in the position to score on a sac fly, yadda yadda. There's arguments for both sides, which is why I get irritated when people second guess decisions like this.

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    Worse case would be a triple play.
    That's why I said one of the worst case scenarios. But obviously we rarely ever see the triple.

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    That bat flip.....geez Jose no wonder everyone else hates the Jays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyrobot View Post
    That bat flip.....geez Jose no wonder everyone else hates the Jays.
    I don't get how everyone flips out at a bat flip, but no one bats an eye when a pitcher celebrates a K. How about the celebrations OF (namely Boston) does after the game but still on the field? For a sport that preaches old style and respect for the opponent, there's things that the defense does that is the same level as a bat flip.

    I say keep the bat flips going.

    BTW if Pillar actually said, "You {British slang for cigarette butt}", shame on him. But when Stroman quick pitches the other team freaks out, when Jays get quick pitched it's fine?

    FWIW i would have left Biagini in. He didnt even have 70pitches and the BP has been stretched so thin lately. Plus he was pitching well after that 1st inning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post
    I don't get how everyone flips out at a bat flip, but no one bats an eye when a pitcher celebrates a K. How about the celebrations OF (namely Boston) does after the game but still on the field? For a sport that preaches old style and respect for the opponent, there's things that the defense does that is the same level as a bat flip.

    I say keep the bat flips going.
    I should have added "don't bat flip when you're losing AGAIN and having a pretty bad year as a team and as a player". I'm all for it when a celebration is deserved. Imagine if Kuznetsov did that stupid bird celebration when they were down 5-1??

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyrobot View Post
    I should have added "don't bat flip when you're losing AGAIN and having a pretty bad year as a team and as a player". I'm all for it when a celebration is deserved. Imagine if Kuznetsov did that stupid bird celebration when they were down 5-1??
    I'll agree with that.
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    it looks like when he reaches home plate he's apologizing to the catcher... the way he puts his hand on his chest and his body language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    it looks like when he reaches home plate he's apologizing to the catcher... the way he puts his hand on his chest and his body language.
    Yeah, He also got chirped by Peterson as he is in between 1st and 2nd (JB almost turned around too but kept running), so he prolly realized he threw the bat too showey. So when he hits homeplate with Suzuki already there to confront him (lets be honest, this could have been avoided if Suzuki wasn't there), he knew what they were mad at and already was apologizing. Looks like the Jays escalated it too because the way the ump points at the dugout it's them coming out first.
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    Ok, the crazy thing now is the Bat Flip has disrespected the game more than what Pillar said. And that's freaking mind blowing. That's how old baseball is, where rotations of a bat after a HR is a bigger story than a homophobic slur said.
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    I'm an old fart, but Pillar getting two games for what he said... I think that's complete BS.
    Yes, he shouldn't have said it. Of course not.

    But giving him two games accomplishes nothing. Give him a hefty fine and make him do community service for some LGBTQ function.

    Whatever happened to "sticks and stones" anyway- that's what I want to know. Yes, the SJWs will be all over me now, but come on already... it's just a word that he mistakenly used when he lost his temper. It's not like he threw a molotov cocktail at people during a gay parade somewhere. Many people mistakenly have that word in their subconscious from when they were younger... It's not about hatred or intolerance.
    When I was younger and someone called me something derogatory, I was taught to ignore it because what those donkeys think of me means absolutely NOTHING anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour View Post
    I'm an old fart, but Pillar getting two games for what he said... I think that's complete BS.
    Yes, he shouldn't have said it. Of course not.

    But giving him two games accomplishes nothing. Give him a hefty fine and make him do community service for some LGBTQ function.

    Whatever happened to "sticks and stones" anyway- that's what I want to know. Yes, the SJWs will be all over me now, but come on already... it's just a word that he mistakenly used when he lost his temper. It's not like he threw a molotov cocktail at people during a gay parade somewhere. Many people mistakenly have that word in their subconscious from when they were younger... It's not about hatred or intolerance.
    When I was younger and someone called me something derogatory, I was taught to ignore it because what those donkeys think of me means absolutely NOTHING anyway.
    You're not wrong fella. To him it was just a word. I don't feel there was Malace toward the LGBTQ by Pillar. Maybe I'm wrong but had he said "*******"... then we'd be driving home PC judgement and seeking amends to half my ball team, a handful of family members and a good number of my fellow employees. All those who identify with the word I suppose.

    Not sure members of the LGBTQ still or ever identified with the word, but the sensitivity is there. And I suppose these players need to be held to a higher standard given their platform.

    But this was a heat of the moment knee jerk thing which is 10 times less terrible than that Donkey Escobar's premeditated insult.

    Oh well... we'll all move past this. It will not define Pillar (atleast not like the bat flip has literally defined Joey Bats ... which I personally love btw)

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    Quote Originally Posted by havanablast21 View Post
    Give me ANYTHING to spice up an archaic game that takes 4 hours to play. Baseball needs more Bautista's and Harpers if you ask me.

    4 hrs??? A close playoff game maybe take that long but average game is under 3 hrs or close to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour View Post
    I'm an old fart, but Pillar getting two games for what he said... I think that's complete BS.
    Yes, he shouldn't have said it. Of course not.

    But giving him two games accomplishes nothing. Give him a hefty fine and make him do community service for some LGBTQ function.

    Whatever happened to "sticks and stones" anyway- that's what I want to know. Yes, the SJWs will be all over me now, but come on already... it's just a word that he mistakenly used when he lost his temper. It's not like he threw a molotov cocktail at people during a gay parade somewhere. Many people mistakenly have that word in their subconscious from when they were younger... It's not about hatred or intolerance.
    When I was younger and someone called me something derogatory, I was taught to ignore it because what those donkeys think of me means absolutely NOTHING anyway.
    I'm right there with you to a certain degree. I'm a fan of social justice, but I'm not a fan of social justice warriors.

    We live in a different world now where this kind of behaviour isn't tolerated and if anybody steps out of line on issues like this it turns into a massive witch hunt. Media presence is much greater and there are cameras and microphones literally everywhere to catch everyone's actions. I'm of the personal opinion that the large degree of public humiliation and the tarnishing of his "brand" if you want to call it that is punishment enough. He's lost a lot of "fans" during this process (and I use the quotations because a lot of these people probably weren't fans before 2015 and probably couldn't spell Pillar before that) and became an example to the rest of the league and to the rest of the sporting world.

    Missing games literally doesn't do anything. I'm so tired of hearing people saying "yeah if you let him continue playing you're basically saying boys will be boys". No, that's not what it is at all. What he did was wrong. Does he deserve to get punished? Yeah absolutely. But the punishment has to fit the crime. Do you think anyone else is gonna want to get caught calling someone else a f- after Pillar's face got smeared all over international news? I doubt it.

    Homophobia is a social issue and the way that you exact change is by shifting the culture. Shifting it towards a culture where people feel shame for saying words that, at one point in time used to be pretty common. Changing things to the point where it's no longer socially acceptable to do or say these kind of things. Which is exactly what we saw here. Pillar became the poster boy for this - on international anti-homophobia day(?) no less.

    I will say this - I'm glad that this happened while the team is in the middle of a big road trip. If this happened at home I'd hate to see the kind of over-the-top reaction this city would have the next day.

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    I so badly wanted to be able to post a picture on here, but last nights game is how I expected the whole series to go. I was surprised your Jays let my Braves win 3 straight. If the Jays could have won this series they would have been way better off than dropping three to one of the worst teams in baseball this year... Hopefully the Jays can get things going cause after the Braves the Jays come first for me!

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    They seem to be having a problem with bunting. lol I'm can't remember the last time someone actually bunted into a double play.

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