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    Default Horqvist vs Neal. Most points next yr

    Which guy makes this trade look good??

    Its hard to see either of them making this deal look good.
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    Hornqvist will score his usual 50 points, while James Neal will drop to 50 points. It's a wash!

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    Default Re: Horqvist vs Neal. Most points next yr

    If I was in Neal's position, this would be the most motivating event of my life. It must be really frustrating to have public perception of your skill attached so firmly to the skill of somebody else, like he's some kind of parasite or something. From the little I've seen of him, I think he's the type of guy to step up and start proving people wrong. My vote goes to Neal.

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    Hornqvist will score 30 goals. 60 points.
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    Until I see them both on the ice and who they will be playing with, I am sticking with James Neal.

    We dont even know if Hornqvist plays with Malkin yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    Until I see them both on the ice and who they will be playing with, I am sticking with James Neal.

    We dont even know if Hornqvist plays with Malkin yet.
    If he doesn't play with Malkin, then he's going to play with Crosby. Neal's got Mike Fisher right now ... gotta be Horny at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mounD View Post
    If he doesn't play with Malkin, then he's going to play with Crosby. Neal's got Mike Fisher right now ... gotta be Horny at this point.
    We dont know this. He could be skating with Sutter for all we know.

    And we sure as hell don't know who James Neal will be skating with. This wont be your daddys Nashville Predators, you can bank on that. Laviolette will bring a different style to this team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mounD View Post
    If he doesn't play with Malkin, then he's going to play with Crosby. Neal's got Mike Fisher right now ... gotta be Horny at this point.
    I think there is a trend on these boards to put too much emphasis on linemates. It's important yes, but it's not as important as other things. This quote makes sense assuming both will play to the exact same level next season, but how do you know that will be the case? There are a ton of other factors.

    Is a bad player with good linemates better than a good player with bad linemates? Of course it's not that cut and dry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by forumname View Post
    I think there is a trend on these boards to put too much emphasis on linemates. It's important yes, but it's not as important as other things. This quote makes sense assuming both will play to the exact same level next season, but how do you know that will be the case? There are a ton of other factors.

    Is a bad player with good linemates better than a good player with bad linemates? Of course it's not that cut and dry...
    Both are 30-goal scorers with upside, and in Neal's case he exploded as Malkin's linemate. Both guys are good players; neither is a "bad player." It's entirely within reason to expect something similar from Hornqvist. There's absolutely no way the Pens trade Neal to acquire Hornqvist without giving him substantial opportunity to fill out the top6. Who else is going to line up with Malkin/Crosby? Pens don't exactly have tons of top6 forwards right now, especially considering no Neal, no Jokinen at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mounD View Post
    Both are 30-goal scorers with upside, and in Neal's case he exploded as Malkin's linemate. Both guys are good players; neither is a "bad player." It's entirely within reason to expect something similar from Hornqvist. There's absolutely no way the Pens trade Neal to acquire Hornqvist without giving him substantial opportunity to fill out the top6. Who else is going to line up with Malkin/Crosby? Pens don't exactly have tons of top6 forwards right now, especially considering no Neal, no Jokinen at this point.
    Maybe its time for Beau Bennett with Crosby???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baby View Post
    Maybe its time for Beau Bennett with Crosby???

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    I think they both get around the same amount of points..
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    The interesting thing about Hornqvist is that he was on fire down the stretch as he had 9 goals, 19 pts and 52 shots in his last 13 games with Nashville's mediocre supporting cast. I see no reason why he can't hit between 65 points or even low 70's playing with Malkin or Crosby while I think Neal will be hard pressed to hit that level unless Nashville signs or trades for a #1 center (like Spezza or Stastny).
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    Id go with neal.
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    Default Re: Horqvist vs Neal. Most points next yr

    Quote Originally Posted by The Bottlenecker View Post
    Hornqvist will score his usual 50 points, while James Neal will drop to 50 points. It's a wash!
    Yep, a classic draw...........

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