Hoping to make a play for Tavares

[pmorrow]

Team details in the sig.

Debating offering Jonathan Toews and Corey Perry for John Tavares. The team with Tavares has pretty awful keepers and would improve their top 6 even though they give up the best player.

Is this still too little? Would you just reject this if you had Tavares, would you accept it, or would you ask for something more? I figure its a longshot that he'd part with him, but Toews and Perry is at least a respectable offer IMO.

Apart from being a Tavares fan, I'm motivated to free up a keeper spot so I can retain Ben Bishop. As of right now I would keep Landeskog instead. My keepers would go from Stamkos-Perry-Hall-Toews-Landeskog-Quick to Stamkos-Tavares-Toews-Landeskog-Quick-Bishop

edit: this should have been posted in Trade discussion if mods wouldnt mind moving it

[lucifer316]

i think you are giving up too much

[MXHockey]

i think you are giving up too much

Tavares is great, but I would have to agree with the above, that the offer is a steep price to pay.

[pmorrow]

i think you are giving up too much

That's actually a good sign because it might mean I have the assets to get him. I will try to get him for less than Perry and Toews. Maybe Toews and someone else, perhaps Landeskog. But I know if I had Tavares I would be very loath to move him, even if I was offered two solid keepers.

[Axeman33]

I would consider offering either of those two guys and high end prospect or a mid level skater for Tavares but I wouldnt send both for him. Thats just too much.

[pmorrow]

I would consider offering either of those two guys and high end prospect or a mid level skater for Tavares but I wouldnt send both for him. Thats just too much.

True, but...its a keep 6 so its hard to get a superstar without overpaying a little (you want to condense your talent, not thin it out). We don't have a prospects system either. Does that change your opinion on the matter?

[lucifer316]

having Toews and Perry is hardly thinning out your talent

[petegreg21]

What does the other managers team look like? Could you get him to bite on Toews + Pominville/Hartnell?

[pmorrow]

What does the other managers team look like? Could you get him to bite on Toews + Pominville/Hartnell?

I dont think Pominville or Hartnell would be keepers for him, so I doubt he takes that in a keep 6. It has to be keepers for keepers.




David Desharnais 16 36 11 24 15 0 96 23 35
Loui Eriksson  10 27 14 6 11 1 115 12 13
Sam Gagner 10 27 -29 41 7 1 143 33 34
Travis Hamonic 3 15 2 68 3 0 134 93 132
Tomas Hertl 15 10 11 4 3 0 98 39 13
Nathan Horton 5 14 -3 24 4 0 48 53 14
Erik Karlsson  20 54 -15 36 31 0 257 122 101
Alex Killorn 17 24 8 63 8 0 173 77 31
Torey Krug 14 26 18 28 19 0 183 50 77
Ryan O'Reilly 28 36 -1 2 22 0 201 22 43
David Perron 28 29 -16 90 13 1 220 116 20
Justin Schultz 11 22 -22 16 12 0 109 30 107
Kevin Shattenkirk 10 35 1 38 26 1 188 72 101
Craig Smith 24 28 16 22 10 0 215 54 21
Jason Spezza  23 43 -26 46 22 0 223 17 26
Derek Stepan 17 40 12 18 18 3 199 30 46
John Tavares  24 42 -6 40 25 0 188 23 19
Teuvo Teravainen 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 1 0
Kyle Turris 26 32 22 39 14 3 215 45 33
James Wisniewski 7 44 0 61 28 0 166 101 73
Nail Yakupov  11 13 -33 36 6 0 122 64 23

Craig Anderson  25 3.00 1530 1680 .911 4
Steve Mason 33 2.50 1606 1751 .917 4
Cam Talbot


As you can see his goalie situation is weak. I have Smith and Bishop as moveable assets.

[pmorrow]

having Toews and Perry is hardly thinning out your talent

That's true. I will try to only move one of them plus some other parts. I just know that the price of getting Tavares, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin types is incredibly high in a keep 6. I made very strong offers for all four this past season and nothing worked.

[lucifer316]

the problem is with hits pims and +/- not to mention position Perry and Tavares are probably about equal even with the point jump for Tavares and you are throwing Toews into the mix as well

[Axeman33]

True, but...its a keep 6 so its hard to get a superstar without overpaying a little (you want to condense your talent, not thin it out). We don't have a prospects system either. Does that change your opinion on the matter?

Gotcha. I didn't see that. My bad.

Ya that changes things a bit and makes it a bit more challenging.\

I still wouldn't send Toews and Perry for him. No way I am sending two of my keepers for one of his. While owning Tavares would be nice, I think you take too big a hit here trying to get him by sending two of your keepers.

I think the only way I look at it is if I send him Toews and Perry and get back Tavares and possibly someone else on his roster that may not be a keeper for him but would be a keeper for you. Just a thought. If he doesnt have anything that fits that for you, I'd just keep what I have.

[pmorrow]

Okay, since Toews and Perry is too much (I knew it was too much, but I thought maybe it would be the only way to get the deal done), what should I offer?

The pieces I'm willing to part with who I think will be required to get something done:

Toews, Perry, M. Smith, Bishop, Landeskog
Any picks in 2014
Any picks in 2015 aside from the first round (McDavid+Eichel year)

[StaveOffElimination]

I would try Toews and Bishop first since the gm needs goalie help.

In the end if you had to give Toews and perry for Tavares I would do it. It's hard to get the top talent and sometimes you have to pay a premium to get them. Your other keepers are good enough to give up 2 players and have a lesser 6th keeper. If Tavares is a 90 pt player and Toews and Perry are both 75 point players, then assuming Hartnell becomes your 6th keeper you only lose out by 10 points. IMO that's worth it to acquire a top 5 asset.

[Chunkys_Choice]

Of course it depends on your situation, but as a tavares owner, i wouldn't move him for anybody other than crosby