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    I have john Tavares and bobby Ryan. Thinking of offering them up along with a decent pick for Crosby. Is this a good move, or should I hold on to what I have? With crosbys relative struggles in the playoffs and pittsburghs loss in game 7 this May be the best time to acquire him.
    I have a youngish team that is close to being a contender, but am probably on the just outside looking in with my current lineup.
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    I really like Tavares and seems like the islanders are getting Halak signed and a lot of young players coming up. There is talk even resigning Moulson and going after Vanek again. Tavares is 23 and taking leaps forward each year will be over 100 points next year. Lots of turmoil in Penguin land after last night.

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    well if I had Crosby I wouldn't have anything to do with the deal, but if you think he might go for it then sure, give it a try

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    Yep I'd give it a shot, worth a try anyways!
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    My first impression is "anytime you can get the best player in the world, you should", but ds760 is right when he says that " Tavares is 23 and taking leaps forward each year will be over 100 points next year." Maybe this deal is less favorable than you think.

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    Yeah, I am on the fence. I love Sid the kid but do wonder if Injuries might be starting to take their toll. He is only 26 and is obviously a great player but he did look a bit tired vs the rangers. It is probably silly to doubt him, and Tavares is coming off an injury himself but their is just enough of a question mark around Crosby and enough upside with Tavares to make me hesitate and see what the forum thinks.
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    Crosby is the best player...not only in the world but clearly in this deal. But the additional question that colts and others suggest..."best by how much?"

    I agree with Mcgoo(yuk)... If in the Crosby owner...no thanks... But instead if undervaluing the top 5 asset I have plus a perennial 30/30 player plus... Maybe you should stick tight and recognize you may one day have the next best player...and the separation may only be 10-12 gross points. It's not a horrible deal at all...but don't be upset if it is declined.

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    Who would be the potential keeper instead of Ryan? That would be the tipping point for me.
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    Keep in mind Crosby has a concussion history. Tavares was on a bike 1 week after his injury. How many complete seasons has crosby played?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ds760 View Post
    How many complete seasons has crosby played?
    How many 120 point seasons has Tavares had? How about 110 point seasons? 100? Should I keep going?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiva Blaster View Post
    How many 120 point seasons has Tavares had? How about 110 point seasons? 100? Should I keep going?
    To add to that....

    How many 90 point seasons? How many 85? If Tavares is on his way to 100, how many players other than Sid broke 90 points this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    To add to that....

    How many 90 point seasons? How many 85? If Tavares is on his way to 100, how many players other than Sid broke 90 points this year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    To add to that....

    How many 90 point seasons? How many 85? If Tavares is on his way to 100, how many players other than Sid broke 90 points this year?
    So are you and the other JT doubters suggesting he's not climbing the elite ladder? I don't really care what Crosby HAS done. His past ain't going to impact owners future seasons. But I'm suggesting that if JT is in fact closing in on 90...or 95 or 100...with each accomplishment he's narrowing the gap between he and Crosby. Try for Crosby ??? Absolutely...be happy you got JT, Ryan and the plus if he doesn't bite? Yeah. I think so. Until we know who else would be coming back... JT and Ryan's fantasy production combined can't be overlooked.

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    Meh, I dunno. Personally I wouldn't be making this move. You have JT and Okoposo, so I like lining up my players. If anything I would try to make your keep 11 more balanced.

    Look for some good, smart, less big swing type of trades. You have more pressing needs to upgrade
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    Quote Originally Posted by havanablast21 View Post
    I don't really care what Crosby HAS done. His past ain't going to impact owners future seasons
    I sure do. Tavares has yet to get within 20 points of what Crosby put up in his rookie season....I think that says a lot about their relative value and upsides. It's not like Tavares is making these consistent/massive steps to justify being in the same conversation as Crosby. He's hovered around PPG production for a few years now, and has yet to sustain that over a full 82 games. In my mind it would take a whole lot more than a Bobby Ryan to make up the gap between Crosby and Tavares in any offer. There is still a 40 point gap in their career bests and 20+ points in any given season.
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