Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 16

Thread: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

  1. #1
    Rep Power
    40

    Administrator

    Default Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Hi all,

    How would you rank these goalies (Bernier, Crawford, Lehtonen) in a keeper league? If you had to choose 2 out of 3 I listed to keep on your team, who would it be?

    Thanks!
    Dobbernomics.com: Fantasy hockey meets stock trading. Try it out for free
    Twitter @dobbernomics

    G(2), A(1), +-(1), PIM(0.25), PPP(2), SHP(3), HITS(0.1), BS(0.1), W(5), L(-2), SV(0.2), GA(-1), SO(5)

  2. #2
    Stringer's Avatar
    Stringer is offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    367
    Location
    London ON
    Rep Power
    9

    Dobber Sports Blue-Chipper

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Can you wait to make a decision? I think Bernier would look a lot better in Toronto is Trotz gets hired there.
    Just speculating.

  3. #3
    Rep Power
    40

    Administrator

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Yes, I can afford to wait. I have an opportunity to acquire Lehtonen - just wondering if he would be worth the investment compared to the other two that I already own.
    Dobbernomics.com: Fantasy hockey meets stock trading. Try it out for free
    Twitter @dobbernomics

    G(2), A(1), +-(1), PIM(0.25), PPP(2), SHP(3), HITS(0.1), BS(0.1), W(5), L(-2), SV(0.2), GA(-1), SO(5)

  4. #4
    hockeymanG23's Avatar
    hockeymanG23 is online now
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    2,839
    Rep Power
    33

    Dobber Sports Veteran

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Bernier
    Crawford
    Lehtonen

    I prefer them in the order you have listed.
    10 team full keeper roto 4C/LW/RW,6D,2G

    G,A,P,+/-,PIM,SOG,GWG,PPP,SHP,Hit,Blk,FOW
    W,GAA,SV,SV%,SHO

    C-Backes,Getzlaf,Giroux,Kopitar
    LW-JVR,Marchassault,Panarin,Zetterberg
    RW-Kucherov,Oshie,Simmonds,Toffoli
    D-Carlson,Chara,Josi,Martinez,Werenski,Yandle
    G-Crawford,Dubnyk
    BN-Hanzal,Kessel,Ladd
    Aho,Armia,Chiasson,Connolly,Couturier,Dano,Elhers, Etem,Fiala,Girgensons,Kapanen,Matthews,Merkley,Nie to,Palmieri,Pastrnak,Rychel,Stransky,Vatrano,Vesey ,Zacha
    Barberio,Gardiner,Gormley,Gudas,Kulikov,Marincin,M ontour,Moore,Morrow,Nurse,Savard,Sproul,Vatanen
    Allen,F.Andersen,Broissot,Campbell,Hackett,Husso,L yon,Stolarz,Wedgewood,Williams

  5. #5
    haze_tech's Avatar
    haze_tech is online now
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    375
    Rep Power
    7

    Dobber Sports Blue-Chipper

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    I think Bernier is the better of all 3. But as long as Crawford will play with Chicago, he'll get more wins...
    2014 Champion
    2015 Champion

    18 teams league, G ; A ; Pts ; PIM ; +/- ; Wins ; %.
    22 players max/ team but only 8F 4D 2G are used each week.
    Farm or/and 2 way contract: 8F, 4D, 2G

    Team
    F- S.Crosby, A.Ovechkin, J.Thornton, T.Johnson, N.Bjugstad, Radulov, Nyquist, R.Strome, Drouin
    D- Faulk, Klingberg, Shattenkirk, Stralman, Gardiner, J.Morrow
    G- Rask, Talbot,

    Farm
    Nichushkin, Dvorak, Poirier, N.Ritchie, D.Pouliot, Zadorov, Kuemper, M.Murray, Hackett

  6. #6
    Location
    Canada
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports Giant

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Crawford
    .
    Bernier
    .
    .
    Lehtonen (injuries play a big part in the 3rd place distance for me)
    Team:
    2xC - Tavares, Matthews, Getzlaf, Wennberg, Marchesault(L)
    2xL - Hall (LW), Laine (LW/RW), Kreider, Maroon
    2xR - Kucherov, Simmonds Marner (RW/C), Eberle, Vanek (LW/RW),
    4xD - Karlsson, OEL, Josi, Yandle DeAngelo, Trouba
    2xG - Crawford, Jones, Hellebuyck, Reimer
    2xUtil -Hellebuyck, Marner or Getzlaf
    12 Team Keeper league with Yahoo

    Roster (14 Kept Players): 2C,2LW,2RW,4D,2G,2Util (Can keep a 3rd G with Util)
    SEASON SCORING: 3C,3LW,3RW,5D,1U,2G
    (Weighted Category Points: see below).

    Skaters -
    (Points: G a/o A) 6
    (+/-) 3
    (PIM) 1
    (PPP) 5
    (GWG) 5

    Goaltenders
    (W) 15
    (GA) -10
    (SV) 1
    (SHO) 15

  7. #7
    Rep Power
    0

    Dobber Sports Newbie

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Bernier - He had the best EV save percentage of the group at .930. Toronto was about in the middle of the pack in taking penalties; and they aren't very good at killing them off. Alot of this will depend on a potential coaching change.

    Crawford - EV save percentage of .927. Chicago takes very few penalties (6th lowest in the league) They were below average on the PK this year too, but they are the best team on the list and will win. Score effects will probably mean he will see more rubber late in games too

    Lehtonen - EV save percentage of .928. Dallas was a little better than average in taking penalties. They are weak on the backend though, but I think they will win more than Toronto.


    If I were you, I'd keep Crawford for the wins. I'd wait to see what happens in Toronto. If things stay the same I'd go with Lehtonen over Bernier. My opinion my be a little biased because I have a sweet spot for the Finnish goaltenders.

  8. #8
    Location
    New Brunswick, Canada
    Rep Power
    14

    Dobber Sports Initiate

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Crawford - definitely has the edge in wins here so I would have him at the top of the list

    Bernier - IMO the best "goalie" on this list but will most likely have the fewest wins. Should make up for it in saves though as I see him receiving a ton of starts next year. Having Trotz potentially take over is just gravy (and of course pure speculation at this point)

    Lehtonen - #3 on my list but talented. Injury woes are of course a concern but its not like Bernier hasnt had his own. He is close to Bernier in this list but I just see safer with Bernier as the #2. The Leaf crease is his and see a big future
    13 team Roto keeper league 12 F, 6D, 2G, G,A,+/-, PIMS, Hits, TOI(D), GAA, SV%, (Forwards are forwards, no distinction between L,R,C)

    F) Ovechkin, Stamkos, Kunitz, Parise, Byfuglien, Backstrom, Little, Gaudreau, Hudler, Brassard, Girgensons, Nelson
    D) S. Weber, Phaneuf, Subban, Carlson, Josi, Vatanen
    G) Rask, Jones

  9. #9
    Location
    Hamilton, ON
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports Giant

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Depends on your categories. I focus on certain categories, so I dominate the majority and throw some out the window. If you want to dominate wins and GAA, Crawford and Lethonen would be the goalies. If you want to do Saves and S% and flirt with winning the W’s category, I’d take Bernier and Lethonen. Crawford isn’t a great goalie, he’s great for the price Chicago has him for, and he does what Chicago needs from him. Crawford will not get you SO too. I’d take Lethonen and Bernier, but I’m a biased Leaf fan.
    12Team, 6Keeper (max 1 goalie), H2H
    G, A, Pts, +/-, PIM, PPP, FW
    W, Svs, S%, GAA
    2C, 2LW, 2RW, 4D, 2G, 2IR, 1IR+

    C:Backstrom, Bergeron, T. Johnson
    LW: JvR, Foligno (RW), Rackel (C)
    RW: Tarasenko, Marner (C)
    D: Karlsson, OEL, Josi, Buff, Rielly
    G: Andersen, Mason, Smith, Vasilevskiy
    IR: Neuvirth IR+: Stamkos

  10. #10
    Bass56's Avatar
    Bass56 is online now
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    5,771
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports Sage

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Crawford
    .
    Lehtonen
    Bernier

    So many people still undervalue Lehtonen. What does this guy need to do to get into their ''good books''? Band-aid boy this, injury-prone that... They guy has carried his team for the past 3 years while managing to miss some games here and there (like any goalie including Bernier).

    The age factor is a 5 year difference so no biggie here IMO, unless you plan on rebuilding for the next 2-3 years.

    Don't get me wrong, I value Bernier as I feel that he can be a top 10-15 goalie in the NHL (around 16th ATM in my opinion). I just feel that Lehtonen does not get his well-deserved credit and that he should already be considered a top 10-15 goalie (13th IMO).

    As for Crawford, he is in a great situation and he has very good skills so he is my hands-down number 1 in this scenario.
    Keeper league 16 teams (H2H, keep 16 NHLers, 15 minors; Championships 2009-10, 2013-14)
    Scoring Cats: G-A-PTS-PPG-PPA-(+/-)-PIM-SHP-SOG-FOW-GWG / W-L-SVS-SV%-GAA-SO

    C- Crosby, Toews, Stastny, Plekanec
    W- Benn, Pavelski, Voracek, Forsberg, Okposo, Ryan, Nyquist, Burakovsky
    D- Carlson, Niskanen, Provorov
    G- Price, Halak, Greiss, Varlamov, Pickard, Hellebuyck

    Minors:
    F: Milano, N.Schmaltz, Dvorak, Merkley, Senyshyn, Beauvillier, McLeod, Sheary
    D: Skjei, Pulock, Montour, Lindell, Juolevi
    G: Taylor

  11. #11
    Ed.'s Avatar
    Ed. is offline
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    812
    Rep Power
    13

    Dobber Sports Initiate

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    There seems to be high overall confidence in Bernier being the real deal, with the only concern being his team's wretched defence. That said, we have only seen one full season from him. Is he really a safe bet? I am curious, because I am seriously considering trying to acquire him, but I don't want the next Mason/Raycroft on my hands if I do.
    As for Lehtonen, Bass56 has a point. Yes, he gets injured, but the past few years it has been 5 games, 8 games at a time, not the 20+ games at a time we used to see from him in Atlanta.

  12. #12
    Location
    Hamilton, ON
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports Giant

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Bernier I think is the real deal. He’s been a starting goalie caliber goalie for 2 years now. It’s not like Raycroft/mason situation. Those goalies came into the league as rookies and had 1 season. Bernier has been around for like 4 years now? He’s developed the winning mentality in LA so he won’t crumble so easily. He has picked up things working with a goalie that traditionally goes lights out in the important games. If Bernier was a rookie this yr and did that season I would be scared of him, but he’s played before and knows the NHL system. Also looking forward, I hope the organization knows they need D help, which can help Berniers stats. When he started getting the nods over Reimer, I started to get nervous because he was only use to starting a few games here and there. He certainly proved he can withstand 50 games, so I would like to see him push 60 starts next yr.

    I say he can handle it because he didn’t pull a muscle, or look slow ever. He had injuries due to people hitting him. If the D can protect him from being hit and not need so many saves, he could be the next workhorse goalie. 65-70 starts
    12Team, 6Keeper (max 1 goalie), H2H
    G, A, Pts, +/-, PIM, PPP, FW
    W, Svs, S%, GAA
    2C, 2LW, 2RW, 4D, 2G, 2IR, 1IR+

    C:Backstrom, Bergeron, T. Johnson
    LW: JvR, Foligno (RW), Rackel (C)
    RW: Tarasenko, Marner (C)
    D: Karlsson, OEL, Josi, Buff, Rielly
    G: Andersen, Mason, Smith, Vasilevskiy
    IR: Neuvirth IR+: Stamkos

  13. #13
    Location
    Toronto
    Rep Power
    13

    Dobber Sports Stud

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Crawford
    Lehtonen
    Bernier (who can slide higher, but would need to see a full season from him)
    8 Team H2H League (Keep 5)
    4C - 4LW - 4RW - 6D - 2G

    2013 1st place, 2014 1st place, 2015 1st place
    G, A, P, SOG, HIT GS, W, GAA, SV%, SO
    C= Bergeron, Backstrom, MacKinnon
    LW= Pavelski, E. Kane
    RW= Giroux, Okposo, Kessel, Carter
    D= Muzzin, Barrie, Vatanen
    G= Rask, Elliot, Schneider

  14. #14
    Bass56's Avatar
    Bass56 is online now
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    5,771
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports Sage

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed. View Post
    Is he really a safe bet? I am curious, because I am seriously considering trying to acquire him, but I don't want the next Mason/Raycroft on my hands if I do.
    He will not be the next Raycroft, that's for sure because he's played consistently every season, whether it be with the Kings as a backup or with the Leafs as a tandem starter.

    Mason has bounced back nicely this year and I think he will continue his good play (nothing spectacular; i.e. Ward), but I would not compare him to Bernier.

    Bernier is a young goalie in his mid-twenties that has a winning pedigree and that has been eye candy on farm teams for the past few years. Give the kid some time to grow; he should become a good starter in a couple of years. I can compare him to Fleury on certain aspects. The only problem is that Fleury's stats are inflated slightly in part because of the team he plays for (hence more W's than most goalies on a given year but comparable ratios). As I said previously, he's a top 10-15 goalie in the next few years for sure but I do not see him ahead of the following 15 guys for the 2014-15 campaign:

    Tuukka Rask
    Antti Niemi
    Carey Price

    Marc-Andre Fleury
    Jonathan Quick
    Henrik Lundqvist
    Semyon Varlamov
    Corey Crawford
    Ben Bishop
    Sergei Bobrovsky

    Ryan Miller
    Kari Lehtonen
    Cory Schneider
    Roberto Luongo
    Mike Smith
    -------------------------
    Jonas Hiller (his stock could drop immensely should he go to a team like Buffalo)
    Jonathan Bernier
    Jimmy Howard
    Pekka Rinne
    Steve Mason

  15. #15
    jcairns's Avatar
    jcairns is offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Posts
    2,831
    Location
    Vancouver, BC
    Rep Power
    31

    Dobber Sports Veteran

    Default Re: Bernier vs Crawford vs Lehtonen

    Quote Originally Posted by Bass56 View Post
    Tuukka Rask
    Antti Niemi
    Carey Price

    Marc-Andre Fleury
    Jonathan Quick
    Henrik Lundqvist
    Semyon Varlamov
    Corey Crawford
    Ben Bishop
    Sergei Bobrovsky

    Ryan Miller
    Kari Lehtonen
    Cory Schneider
    Roberto Luongo
    Mike Smith
    -------------------------
    Jonas Hiller (his stock could drop immensely should he go to a team like Buffalo)
    Jonathan Bernier
    Jimmy Howard
    Pekka Rinne
    Steve Mason
    But Smith is garbage. Not sure how Bernier, Howard, and Rinne are below Smith. They are far superior.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •