Most predictable NHL awards in recent memory

[Big Ev]

Yes, whole year... everybody.
What are YOU talking about?
When do I ever talk about anybody's partial year with regard to awards?

In my post above, do I ever mention anything about any goalie's "part" of a year. (aside from the perception point of Bishop's injury, which is NOT included in his "stats")
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You are going to lead the website in getting these in your replies:

This is what you posted:

I love Babcock and think he's an incredible coach.
But even with Datsyuk/Zetterberg in the line-up for the first half of the year, the team struggled to be a "playoff calibre" team.
This team was 18-14-10 following the New Year's Day game vs. TOR.
46pts in 42games. That's a 90pt pace with a fairly full line-up to that point. (90-92pts being considered the make-or-break for playoffs.)

You've got to evaluate the coach's full season body of work.
Not just the stellar last 3-4 weeks with the kids.

If you evaluate his FULL SEASON body of work, then you'd see his team made the playoffs and has a record of 38-27-15.

Do you not see the hypocrisy here?

Why are we taking out what Detroit did the last month of the year to discredit Babcock, but we are not taking into account Bishop's last bad month of the year?

[Pengwin7]

^ Yes, I'm evaluating Babcock's full season.

October-Jan 1st: The Wings and Babcocks were average. I'd give them a score of 5/10 x 50% season weighting.
Jan 1st - now: The Wings and Babcock have been excellent. I'd give them a score of 9/10 x 50% season weighting.

That works out to a score of 7.
I like Babcock's season... it's good... top five coach.
But not TOP coach, definitely not, NO... and THIS is evaluating the WHOLE season.

[Big Ev]

^ Yes, I'm evaluating Babcock's full season.

October-Jan 1st: The Wings and Babcocks were average. I'd give them a score of 5/10 x 50% season weighting.
Jan 1st - now: The Wings and Babcock have been excellent. I'd give them a score of 9/10 x 50% season weighting.

That works out to a score of 7.
I like Babcock's season... it's good... top five coach.
But not TOP coach, definitely not, NO... and THIS is evaluating the WHOLE season.

I agreed with you, but we must also do the same for Bishop. March and April is crunch time in terms of making the playoffs, and he has failed in that regard.

Rask has been way better for the entire season.

[Mr. Guru]

Out of curiosity.

Why are you breaking it down to Oct-Jan, and Jan-April?

[Pengwin7]

Big Ev is making a good point that Bishop really struggled in March and April, which will also hurt his chances.

Again... similar to my Babcock explanation.

Bishop was a 10/10 value goalie through 75% of the year. 10 x .75= 7.5
And he's been a 3/10 value goalie in the final 25% of the year. 3 x .25 = 1.0
This, IMO, gives him a score for the WHOLE YEAR of 8.5.

Now, Rask's year is a bit more consistent in production... true, but Chad Johnson's numbers are almost identical.
So - how incredible has Rask really been when Chad Johnson is putting up similar numbers???

I like Rask...
But Bishop & TB... I mean, Dobber had TB pegged for 83pts in his pre-season guide.
TB is going to finish around 100pts.

Here are perhaps the MOST-KEY-NUMBERS.
Bishop is 37-14-7. That's 81pts in 58 decisions. 1.40pts per game started.
Rask is 35-15-6. That's 76pts in 56 decisions. 1.36pts per game started.

OK, Bishop had a bad stretch.
OK, Bishop has been injured.

But TB w/Bishop in net... has been a better TEAM.... they have!... by Points-Per-Contest... they have... than BOS w/Rask in net.
And which supporting cast is better?

Somebody can either accept that TRUTH... or choose to not see it.
It is a VERY, VERY, VERY strong argument for Bishop... as long as somebody can look at the FULL-BODY-OF-WORK for this season, by Bishop.

[Big Ev]

Yeah I'm gonna use this one on you now lol:

Also, Bishop has been insulated by Tampa's focus on D earlier in the season. Once MSL left, they focused on offense and he couldn't stop the same number of shots anymore.

[Pengwin7]

Yeah I'm gonna use this one on you now lol:

Also, Bishop has been insulated by Tampa's focus on D earlier in the season. Once MSL left, they focused on offense and he couldn't stop the same number of shots anymore.

Oh... right... when Cooper told the team they had to completely change strategies when MSL was traded...
I remember that.... (said nobody)

ps. Bishop was 8-3-3 in March.
What a terrible month!!!
Good mercy, no team can make the playoffs or win Stanley Cup losing 3 regulation games in 14.

[Big Ev]

It's true if you watch Tampa lately. They are poor defensively right now. Bishop was just as insulated as Rask was as Hedman was playing Norris level hockey.

You can't tell me about his entire regular season sv% and GAA and then not care about his March SV% and GAA and only look at the record.

Tampa did not go 8-3-3 because of their goaltending...

[Big Ev]

Oh... right... when Cooper told the team they had to completely change strategies when MSL was traded...
I remember that.... (said nobody)

It's true if you watch Tampa play. They don't focus on team D right now. It's very much like the Sens last year, who this year have not focused on team defense.

Yes Boston plays incredible team D but Rask should be finally rewarded for being the best goalie in the NHL.

[HockeyProphet]

I think it would be between Rask (the favourite) or Varly. Arugably, Varly has done more with less, if that's the argument that is being made for Bishop.

Varly has faced the most shots, and made the most saves in the league: ANND broke a record held by Roy, albeit a franchise one.

Hopefully Rask gets it, but I think Varly has made a clear case for himself as the potential #2

[Pengwin7]

An attached file on TB's SOGA this year.
By month, with & without MSL.
Interpret as you like.
TB soga 2013-2014.pdf

[metaldude26]

He's been mentioned already but Ryan O'Reilly for the Lady Byng is pretty well sown up. Same with Ovechkin and the Selke.

[Big Ev]

An attached file on TB's SOGA this year.
By month, with & without MSL.
Interpret as you like.
TB soga 2013-2014.pdf

When I was referring to team defense I was not referring to shots against. The Sens gave up a ton of shots last year but still played much better team defense than this year. Same goes for Tampa IMO after MSL was traded. Their offense opened up more.

Anyways, Bishop is certainly deserving of being nominated but my answer to the question of most predictable NHL awards for the Vezina would be Rask.

[SeaDawg]

He's been mentioned already but Ryan O'Reilly for the Lady Byng is pretty well sown up. Same with Ovechkin and the Selke.

Funny man, Steve.

[metaldude26]

Funny man, Steve.

Sorry, Masters weekend, got caught up thinking minus was good.