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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Ev View Post
    Relax. It's pretty common vocabulary in sports.
    I'm completely relaxed ... so calling out horrible sexism that's ubiquitous in the world of sports is somehow not relaxed? How about you stop enabling oppression against women? Until then, I won't be "relaxing" at all. Just because something is common doesn't mean it's okay. Slavery was pretty common in the 19th century; mass rape and sex trafficking is pretty common ... should we just throw up our hands because they're so "common" ???

    Completely BS response, Ev. Not like I expected you to care about equality or anything.


    I don't expect people to agree with me here; it's not like most men are willing to admit their deep biases against women. It's just flat-out completely unacceptable to denigrate women, as a distinct class, by saying stuff like "he hits like a girl," etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves, as men, that we allow BS like this to continue. It's the 21st century, and we're all human beings. It's time to take some responsibility for our BS and make a stand. We may not realize that the words we use have a profound impact on others, but when society continually "lessens" the importance of women, it registers with young women and girls. Would you want your daughter to feel like less of a human being because she has a vagina? I didn't think so ...
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    I am really impressed the linesman still made sure to properly wave off the offside. That didn't phase him at all.

    Also, not sure how you can call Crosby a diver for that. Unexpected, likely with a whistle. He skated in from BEHIND the ref. He is aware it was the referee's hand and not a player's. So, what's he trying to do. Dive to get the ref thrown in the box for 2min? C'mon.

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    It isn't really sexism.

    I've spent a lot of time wandering around playgrounds punching children and I can definitively state that little girls go down harder and cry more. I have the video documentation and it was a randomized double-blind test, I'm that thorough.

    That said, I would say the difference between boys and girls, while statistically significant, isn't as vast as we commonly believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loch View Post
    It isn't really sexism.

    I've spent a lot of time wandering around playgrounds punching children and I can definitively state that little girls go down harder and cry more. I have the video documentation and it was a randomized double-blind test, I'm that thorough.

    That said, I would say the difference between boys and girls, while statistically significant, isn't as vast as we commonly believe.
    Of course there are biological differences between men and women, but that doesn't mean men have free reign to denigrate women because of it. Would you appreciate being called a rapist and murderer because you're a man? Because the vast majority of those crimes are committed by men ... If we're playing the "statistically significant" game, then statistically speaking, you're a dangerous murdering rapist.

    Anyway, back on topic: Crosby isn't a diver. He's a savvy NHL player ... if you don't want your team's star players to attempt to draw penalties, you're kidding yourself. Everyone in the NHL who wants a PP does this stuff. Singling out Crosby for getting backhanded by a ref is pretty stupid IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mounD View Post
    I'm completely relaxed ... so calling out horrible sexism that's ubiquitous in the world of sports is somehow not relaxed? How about you stop enabling oppression against women? Until then, I won't be "relaxing" at all. Just because something is common doesn't mean it's okay. Slavery was pretty common in the 19th century; mass rape and sex trafficking is pretty common ... should we just throw up our hands because they're so "common" ???

    Completely BS response, Ev. Not like I expected you to care about equality or anything.


    I don't expect people to agree with me here; it's not like most men are willing to admit their deep biases against women. It's just flat-out completely unacceptable to denigrate women, as a distinct class, by saying stuff like "he hits like a girl," etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves, as men, that we allow BS like this to continue. It's the 21st century, and we're all human beings. It's time to take some responsibility for our BS and make a stand. We may not realize that the words we use have a profound impact on others, but when society continually "lessens" the importance of women, it registers with young women and girls. Would you want your daughter to feel like less of a human being because she has a vagina? I didn't think so ...
    I'm 100% with you on this. Perpetuating sexism and rationalizing it with "that's the way people talk in sports" is just about the laziest argument out there. "Yeah, why would we let slaves be free? Why would we let women vote? Why would we let gays marry? It's always been this way, so relax!" Hyperbole, yes, but you get the point.

    Also, in terms of withstanding physical pain, we don't have anything that compares to the pain of giving birth, so equating low pain threshold or whatever with being feminine is just asinine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loch View Post
    It isn't really sexism.

    I've spent a lot of time wandering around playgrounds punching children and I can definitively state that little girls go down harder and cry more. I have the video documentation and it was a randomized double-blind test, I'm that thorough.

    That said, I would say the difference between boys and girls, while statistically significant, isn't as vast as we commonly believe.
    Uh, so do boys.
    No one says "don't cry like a boy". From being around my little brother as he grew up, the boys often overreacted more than the girls.

    And women in professional sports dive way less than guys in Soccer/Basketball/Hockey, from what I've seen.


    It's terrible to say "don't throw like a girl" even though the top male athletes throw better than the top women, but it's even worse to say "don't dive like a girl" when the top male athletes dive worse than the top women athletes.

    As far as Crosby, ya he dives. So do the vast majority of top players. The rules as currently enforced encourage a certain level of embellishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austeane View Post
    Uh, so do boys.
    No one says "don't cry like a boy". From being around my little brother as he grew up, the boys often overreacted more than the girls.
    Two things:
    1: I said go down harder and cry more, which implicitly states that boys go down and cry too...
    2: How on earth did a post as blatantly idiotic as mine get two responses? It reminds me of the old joke about the fact it is impossible to post a youtube comment so stupid that everyone knows you're joking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loch View Post
    Two things:
    1: I said go down harder and cry more, which implicitly states that boys go down and cry too...
    2: How on earth did a post as blatantly idiotic as mine get two responses? It reminds me of the old joke about the fact it is impossible to post a youtube comment so stupid that everyone knows you're joking.
    It was pretty obvious you were trolling with your comments, but all the same there was some sincerity to your remarks about girls crying more than young boys. It was tongue in cheek, of course, but you definitely said that, statistically speaking, girls cry more than boys. You tried to redeem it with humor / parody, and even a statement that the biological differences are "overblown," but the point remains: your post was a subtle justification / rationalization for OP's statement, which is not OK.
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    = this entire thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    Crosby has nothing on this guy....

    Almost forgot about this. Was in the playoffs too if memory serves
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    Really fellas?! It's a damn expression. What kind of sheltered PC world do you people live in where you've never heard or used terms like, "he hits like a girl," etc?? Sexist?! I've heard it all now. LOL. "Man, it's hot as shit outside!" [insert: How do you compare our earthly climate to that of human waste!!!] Sorry, but a few of you are acting like little girls in this thread - don't get your panties in a bunch.

    And, yes, this video is a perfect example of Crosby's continual use of dramatic embellishment every time he even gets sneezed on. It's embarrassing - take the fan goggles off and call it like it is. Yeah, Kovalev was one of the worst ever and the Habs were always my 2nd favorite team.
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    Well this has certainly gotten off track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungchen3 View Post
    Really fellas?! It's a damn expression. What kind of sheltered PC world do you people live in where you've never heard or used terms like, "he hits like a girl," etc?? Sexist?! I've heard it all now. LOL. "Man, it's hot as shit outside!" [insert: How do you compare our earthly climate to that of human waste!!!] Sorry, but a few of you are acting like little girls in this thread - don't get your panties in a bunch.
    Seriously, dude? You're going to equate horrible oppression of women, which has gone on for centuries in Western civilization, with saying a cuss word for poop? That's an even lazier argument than the one you made before. C'mon dude ... I think you're smart. How do you not get it?

    It's not about being PC, it's about recognizing that your comments play into a sense of self-worth among females, and you're not helping matters. Try to be a little self-aware, buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mounD View Post
    Seriously, dude? You're going to equate horrible oppression of women, which has gone on for centuries in Western civilization, with saying a cuss word for poop? That's an even lazier argument than the one you made before. C'mon dude ... I think you're smart. How do you not get it?
    Get a grip mounD. I said Crosby is acting like a little girl, I didn't say women shouldn't be allowed to vote. You're being overly sensitive and dramatic now friend. Oh, and, for the record, I was just showing my WIFE this thread for fun and she rolled her eyes, made a look, and assumed you were joking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungchen3 View Post
    Get a grip mounD. I said Crosby is acting like a little girl, I didn't say women shouldn't be allowed to vote. You're being overly sensitive and dramatic now friend.
    You are acting like a damn idiot. Do you not understand that your words have a profound effect on how women view themselves. It's not OK to say these things. You're really going to say I need to get a grip? The intellectual disconnect in your "argument" is PROFOUND. And note, I'm using the word "argument" in the loosest sense of the word.

    If you don't realize that your comments are contributing to a culture where women are inherently less valued than men, I don't know what to tell you. That's on you ... not me.
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