Giroux vs. Hall

[Shiva Blaster]

I had an interesting mini-debate on this with another forum member in another trade discussion and thought is was worthy of a thread as I'm curious where other people stand. In a multi-cat keeper league, who do you prefer and why: Hall or Giroux

[jcairns]

I had an interesting mini-debate on this with another forum member in another trade discussion and thought is was worthy of a thread as I'm curious where other people stand. In a multi-cat keeper league, who do you prefer and why: Hall or Giroux

Haha I love that you started this (seriously). It's a great discussion. I'll put my opinion here again to foster discussion.

I say they are very close, and I give an ever so slight edge to Hall based on LW eligibility, age, linemates, and recent point paces (with Hall over the past few seasons being above a ppg, while Giroux's 93 pt season looks like an outlier).

(I think adding a poll to the forum might be worthwhile, Shiva, but not sure if that can be done after the fact?)

[Shiva Blaster]

Haha I love that you started this (seriously). It's a great discussion. I'll put my opinion here again to foster discussion.

I say they are very close, and I give an ever so slight edge to Hall based on LW eligibility, age, linemates, and recent point paces (with Hall over the past few seasons being above a ppg, while Giroux's 93 pt season looks like an outlier).

(I think adding a poll to the forum might be worthwhile, Shiva, but not sure if that can be done after the fact?)

Poll added! Yeah, I love discussions like this......I find them super helpful in evaluating my own players, as well as evaluating other managers' perceptions. This stuff can prove to be very valuable in trades and determining keepers. Mostly I'm just a dork and love analyzing stuff like this....the Cage Matches are some of my favourite articles here on Dobber

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I think this is as close as they come.. I'd actually put Tavares right in this mix. I'd end up picking giroux as he is my favorite player to watch.

[mounD]

I chose Hall. Age, potential linemates, LW eligibility all good reasons. I think this also depends on whether your league counts FW, because Giroux definitely has an edge there. But in Yahoo standard multi-cat setup, I'll take Hall by a hair.

[pmkidd]

I have both as keepers and I value Giroux more. I think in my league Giroux has 50 more pts. That's also with Giroux terrible start. I think the teams they play on is big factor. Oilers look like 5 skaters they have nothing to do with each other. No team game at all.

[mounD]

I have both as keepers and I value Giroux more. I think in my league Giroux has 50 more pts. That's also with Giroux terrible start. I think the teams they play on is big factor. Oilers look like 5 skaters they have nothing to do with each other. No team game at all.

Hall's terrible plus-minus is a major factor in the points difference between the two in your format; Hits / Blks and Shorthanded points make up the remainder of that difference. Giroux is just a full-blown stud in your format.

[Shiva Blaster]

I chose Hall. Age, potential linemates, LW eligibility all good reasons. I think this also depends on whether your league counts FW, because Giroux definitely has an edge there. But in Yahoo standard multi-cat setup, I'll take Hall by a hair.

All very good points. I meant standard multi-cat, not taking into account positions or FOW.

[brakli]

Great poll and discussion. I currently own Giroux and wouldn't trade him straight up for Hall. Taylor is younger and fills the hits category well, but his style of play seems to leave him banged up. I also think Giroux is just outside the big four.

[Laendarian]

All very good points. I meant standard multi-cat, not taking into account positions or FOW.

Throwing out positions I'd take giroux by a hair, but this is a real close call.

[Shiva Blaster]

I have both as keepers and I value Giroux more. I think in my league Giroux has 50 more pts. That's also with Giroux terrible start. I think the teams they play on is big factor. Oilers look like 5 skaters they have nothing to do with each other. No team game at all.

This is where I stand on the matter. I owned both, and traded Giroux in my quest to land a stud D because he has WAY more trade value then Hall does in my league. That said, I am an Edmonton homer and still feel that Giroux is the better option long term. Here is my reasoning:

-proven over potential. Giroux's already pushed into the 90's and Hall hasn't has a sniff yet.
-durability. I have little faith in Hall being able to consistently put full healthy seasons together.
- situation. The Flyers are a much better team, and despite having much less talented line-mates, Giroux has been scoring at a near 100-point pace since his abysmal first month when he was coming off a hand injury. Giroux is a much safer +/- bet, and if he gets some top level talent to play along with him on the first line, he would have 100 point upside in any given season IMO
-grit. Giroux has more sandpaper to his game and will contribute more in the hits department. He also kills penalties and will block shots, and is always a shp threat. Whenever I have to choose between two players that are close in value, I always choose the player with more sandpaper and toughness to his game.

In my mind, they aren't as close in value as a lot of really savvy people in here have them, so as a Hall owner this is the stuff that I really like to hear. Maybe my jaded views towards my Oilers are clouding my judgement a bit?

The funny thing is, I received both Giroux and Hall via trade this season, in the same deal. Hall was basically just a throw-in, so it worked out really well for me.

This is a really interesting discussion, would love to see more people chime in and vote to see how the numbers look once the dust settles.

[Shiva Blaster]

Bump!

[MillerTime89]

Yeah, it's Giroux, and right now it's not that close, IMO. I think Hall has a chance to surpass him, but until EDM wakes up, I don't see Hall being a top-10 option.

[Shiva Blaster]

Just wanted to wrap this thread up. Some interesting points made for both sides, but according to Dobberites, Giroux reigns supreme by almost a 2:1 margin.

[MXHockey]

Yeah, it has to be Giroux and I'm trying my best to make an argument for Hall, but just can't find a worthy one.