I like both. Edmonton is a disaster but eventually with ice time and playing on the first line yakupov will be a star.
Yakupov
Nichuskin
Very well put ccsitdown!
I like both. Edmonton is a disaster but eventually with ice time and playing on the first line yakupov will be a star.
Totally agree with ds760. The correct answer is get them both if you can. If Yak sucks this year, then you might be able to buy him a bit cheaper and sit on both of them to see what happens later.
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ccsitdowns post is close to perfect. It is beyond absurd to call the first overall pick from a year ago a bust and to compare him to some other busts from 15 years ago. There is no intellectual arguement for it. It is close but I'll go with the guy who was the overwhelming consensus number 1 just a year and a half ago.! Scout's get paid and we don't for a reason.
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Nichushkin for me. Not a knock on Yak, but an easy decision for me.
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This seems a little over the top for me. Nichuskin is on pace to finish with the almost the same number of points in 79 games (he's missed three) that Yakupov finished with in 48 games last season, seeing much more consistent top line minutes. Yak spent the majority of last season the third line, seeing some second line, never seeing first line. Nichuskin is on pace for 38 points in 79 games. Yak scored 31 in 48. There should be no scope where this is an easy decision, just because of a what have you done for me lately way of thinking. In terms of rookie seasons, Yak's blows Nichu's out of the water. In terms of comparing their current season, Nichu has 5 more points in 2 more games, while shooting 3% higher. Yak is shooting at 10.2%, Nichu at 13.4%. Not to say that Nichu's isn't sustainable, but Yak's certainly is, especially with how deadly his shot is.
So 5 points and some bad press is enough to say easily Nichuskin? Not in my mind at least. I already posted my opinion here. The one you should choose is the one you already have. It's way too hard to tell right now who will be better. If you're deciding which one to acquire, you should get both, but if you only can trade for one, you should trade for the guy that costs you less. If they both cost the same, you should trade for the guy you'll be happier to have on your team. I know personally for me, when a guy isn't scoring, my personal opinion on that player really affects my frustration level. If you consider Kessel and Kane similar producers (I do), I like Kane and I dislike Kessel. Just a personally opinion. So if Kane has a 5 game slump and I own him I'm mildly annoyed but I'm fine with it. If Kessel has a 5 game slump I'm pissed off and angry at him. One is easier to tolerate because I like the player.
Personally, I think Nichuskin should have been a top 5 pick, and definitely higher than 10, so I don't think you can fully say draft pedigree is what you should go off of either. But really, Yak was the first overall selection and I don't think it was that close. If it was, Edmonton knows they needed defense and they would have taken Murray. The precedent for sophmore slumps is well documented, clearly that is what is going on this year, but last year obviously showed he can produce at the NHL and there has not been much negative press on Yakupov lately. I love both players and don't really have much to add, but a 5 point seperation and a not nearly as dominant/productive rookie season doesn't instantly make this an "easy choice"
You'll have a hard time finding a bigger Nichushkin fan than me, but looking at their potential it's hard not to vote for Yakupov.
He has struggled this season but the high end upside is there for a 35 plus goal scorer with high shot totals. I likely prefer Nichushkin's situation right now (Benn and Seguin) but over the course of 3 years Yakupov "should" end up as a the better asset. Hoping to be proven wrong though, since Nichushkin is such a joy to watch.
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I never saw Yak as more than a 35 goal scorer, 65 maybe 70 points… basically Evander Kane. I see Nich as a guy with the potential to take over periods of a game and dominate… and unlike Yak, he will be able to do it all by himself. He won't need a top flight centerman to help him create his offence. Throw in the fact that he plays for a professional organization and Yak plays for the Oilers only cements my views further.
great comments ccsitdown - although not sure you fully grasp the meaning of the word "shortly" my guess is you were late for work
I own both and will have to pick just one to keep (unless i keep both and drop/trade barkov which is unlikely). i'm leaning toward keeping yak. purely based on gut feeling which i think is the only way to go here.
Yakupov might be the sexier choice but I'm torn here. Why? I guess because I've been unimpressed with Yakupov's production and attitude and very impressed with Nichushkin's. Yakupov reminds me of an Alex Semin type and Nich reminds me of a JVR clone with more size. Nichushkin should be a safe 65-78 points in the bank while Yakupov could be 58-85. Personally, I'd take Nichushkin because there's already too many fantasy headaches to deal with.
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