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    Justin Shultz
    Justin Faulk
    Sami Vatanen
    Roman Josi


    I will have 3 keeper defensemen and I think Josi is prolly the bottom of the barrel here in terms of upside. Will eventually have to trade one and I think Shultz, Faulk and Vatanen all have considerable upside as point producing Dmen. Maybe I am too optimistic but I see both Shultz and Vatenen as being consistant 50 plus point dmen in a couple years, while Faulk could be a 40-50 guy. Any thoughts or impressions would be helpful. I am trying to get 3 dmen all around 20-23 that can grow with the rest of my team. I'm hoping 3 of these 4 can be those guys.
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    Defense: OEL, S. Jones, Pietrangelo , Dumba, Campbell, Erhoff, Dillon
    Goalies: Bobrovsky, S. Mason, Mrazek , Vasilevski,

    Scoring: G: 2 A: 1 +/-: 1 PIM: 0.2 W: 4 L: -2 SO:5 OTL: 1

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    Id rank these guys

    Faulk
    Schultz
    Vatanen
    Josi

    Schultz behind faulk only because of his team really hurts his +/-, both these guys play big minutes and on PPP. I think Schultz has more potential for bigger upside though s far as points
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    Longterm I'd rank them

    Schultz


    Faulk
    Vatanen
    Josi

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    Sems like Schultz is the overwhelming choice for #1.

    I'd like to get 3 young dmen the caliber of Justin Schultz, which I don't even think is possible.

    Assuming PK Subban, Karleson, Peitrangelo and Doughty are off the board, whom should I target?

    Preferably between the ages of 20-23
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    I think it's
    Schultz
    Faulk
    Vatanen
    Josi

    Josi is probably the safer option, but if he has had 4 concussions or whatever has been reported then he's a risk. Vatanen has the higher upside.

    I would say Ekman-Larsson is a good option for a guy 23 or younger.
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    Thanks for the advice. OEL is a guy I was looking that. Unfortunately the owner that has him currently is a notoriously difficult owner to deal with and always wants to win a trade ridiculously. Having said that I have had luck with him before in getting a deal I found to be fair done and will try again.

    Besides OEL, would there be another option around the ages of 20-23?

    Schultz
    OEL

    are definatly what i would like to do, just not sure if I have a third already within my roster with 1 of Vatanen, Faulk or Josi.
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    My ranking on the 4 you specified would be:

    1. Justin Schultz (23)
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    2. Justin Faulk (21)
    3. Sami Vatanen (22)
    .
    4. Roman Josi (23)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronz View Post
    I'd like to get 3 young dmen the caliber of Justin Schultz, which I don't even think is possible. Assuming PK Subban, Karleson, Peitrangelo and Doughty are off the board, whom should I target? Preferably between the ages of 20-23
    Schultz is among the best of the young crop. But there are others I would covet in a Keeper. Here is how I rank the young bucks (23-under who have at least played a game in the NHL to date):

    1. Oliver Ekman-Larsson (22)
    2. Justin Schultz (23)*
    3. Seth Jones (19)
    4. Morgan Rielly (19)
    5. Dougie Hamilton (20)
    6. Justin Faulk (21)*
    7. Jacob Trouba (19)
    8. Torey Krug (22)
    9. Slava Voynov (23)
    10. Nick Leddy (22)
    11. Sami Vatanen (22)*
    12. Jonas Brodin (20)
    13. Victor Hedman (22)
    14. John Carlson (23)
    15. Jake Gardiner (23)
    16. Ryan Murphy (20)
    17. Mathew Dumba (20)
    18. Cam Fowler (21)
    19. Hampus Lindholm (19)
    20. Nathan Beaulieu (20)
    21. Jared Spurgeon (23)
    22. Travis Hamonic (23)
    23. Ryan Murray (20)
    24. Tyson Barrie (22)
    25. Zach Bogosian (23) / Roman Josi (23)*
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungchen3 View Post
    My ranking on the 4 you specified would be:

    1. Justin Schultz (23)
    .
    2. Justin Faulk (21)
    3. Sami Vatanen (22)
    .
    4. Roman Josi (23)



    Schultz is among the best of the young crop. But there are others I would covet in a Keeper. Here is how I rank the young bucks (23-under who have at least played a game in the NHL to date):

    1. Oliver Ekman-Larsson (22)
    2. Justin Schultz (23)*
    3. Seth Jones (19)
    4. Morgan Rielly (19)
    5. Dougie Hamilton (20)
    6. Justin Faulk (21)*
    7. Jacob Trouba (19)
    8. Torey Krug (22)
    9. Slava Voynov (23)
    10. Nick Leddy (22)
    11. Sami Vatanen (22)*
    12. Jonas Brodin (20)
    13. Victor Hedman (22)
    14. John Carlson (23)
    15. Jake Gardiner (23)
    16. Ryan Murphy (20)
    17. Mathew Dumba (20)
    18. Cam Fowler (21)
    19. Hampus Lindholm (19)
    20. Nathan Beaulieu (20)
    21. Jared Spurgeon (23)
    22. Travis Hamonic (23)
    23. Ryan Murray (20)
    24. Tyson Barrie (22)
    25. Zach Bogosian (23) / Roman Josi (23)*
    Impressive list Fungchen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronz View Post
    Impressive list Fungchen

    Thanks abunch

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    You're welcome. I didn't add the 24+ guys like Kevin Shattenkirk... but he should be towards the top of your list if he's available (42-50+ upside for sure).
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    (*D): Karlsson, P.Subban, Letang, Ekman-Larsson, Byfuglien, Shattenkirk, T.Barrie, Hedman, Pietrangelo, Ristolainen, M.Rielly, Pouliot, Theodore, Provorov, Pulock, DeAngelo, Montour
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungchen3 View Post
    My ranking on the 4 you specified would be:

    1. Justin Schultz (23)
    .
    2. Justin Faulk (21)
    3. Sami Vatanen (22)
    .
    4. Roman Josi (23)



    Schultz is among the best of the young crop. But there are others I would covet in a Keeper. Here is how I rank the young bucks (23-under who have at least played a game in the NHL to date):

    1. Oliver Ekman-Larsson (22)
    2. Justin Schultz (23)*
    3. Seth Jones (19)
    4. Morgan Rielly (19)
    5. Dougie Hamilton (20)
    6. Justin Faulk (21)*
    7. Jacob Trouba (19)
    8. Torey Krug (22)
    9. Slava Voynov (23)
    10. Nick Leddy (22)
    11. Sami Vatanen (22)*
    12. Jonas Brodin (20)
    13. Victor Hedman (22)
    14. John Carlson (23)
    15. Jake Gardiner (23)
    16. Ryan Murphy (20)
    17. Mathew Dumba (20)
    18. Cam Fowler (21)
    19. Hampus Lindholm (19)
    20. Nathan Beaulieu (20)
    21. Jared Spurgeon (23)
    22. Travis Hamonic (23)
    23. Ryan Murray (20)
    24. Tyson Barrie (22)
    25. Zach Bogosian (23) / Roman Josi (23)*
    In a salary cap league, would you drop Faulk (one year left at 0.890M) for Trouba (3 years ELC)?? for next two years, do they have similar upside?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronz View Post
    Justin Shultz
    Justin Faulk
    Sami Vatanen
    Roman Josi


    I will have 3 keeper defensemen and I think Josi is prolly the bottom of the barrel here in terms of upside. Will eventually have to trade one and I think Shultz, Faulk and Vatanen all have considerable upside as point producing Dmen. Maybe I am too optimistic but I see both Shultz and Vatenen as being consistant 50 plus point dmen in a couple years, while Faulk could be a 40-50 guy. Any thoughts or impressions would be helpful. I am trying to get 3 dmen all around 20-23 that can grow with the rest of my team. I'm hoping 3 of these 4 can be those guys.
    For long term, I'd go:

    Schultz
    Vatanen
    Faulk (Murphy is playing big minutes on PP which I think hurts Faulk's pts)
    Josi
    10 teams keeper/pts only (cap hit)
    FWD/D: G=1pt A=1pt
    G: W=2pts OTL= 1pt SO= 3pts

    Cap: TBD
    Actual salary: N/A


    F: J. Tavares (5.5M), V. Tarasenko (7.5M), J. Schwartz (5.35M), L. Couture (6M), J. Carter (5.25M), J. Eberle (6M), R. N-Hopkins (6M), J. Voracek (8.25M), R. Nash (7.8M), K. Okposo (6M), M. Marner (0.925M), M. Gaborik (4.875M).

    D: S. Jones (5.4M), T. Krug (5.25M), M. Rielly (5M).

    G: J. Gibson (2.3M), S. Bobrovsky (7.425M).

    Bench: J. Halak (4.5M), M. Reilly (0.925M), A. Larsson (4.167M), M. Dano (0.925M), A. Hammond (1.35M), M. Grigorenko (RFA), O. Maatta (4.083M), A. Vasilevsky (0.925M), D. Nurse (0.863M), D. Backes (6M).

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    Thanks CHunter

    It is disturbing that Faulk isn't getting top pp time even when he's logging 20 plus minutes a night.

    I have just acquired OEL.

    A question for everyone, would you feel confident putting one of Justin Faulk or Sami Vatenen in the same expectations as

    OEL
    Schultz

    and if not ,is there a 3rd dman that would fit in that list with those 2 that is around the same age.

    How about Pietrangelo? Is he a better option then Shattenkirk?

    How would you rank Pietrangelo with OEL, Schultz, Faulk and Vatanen?

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    Defense: OEL, S. Jones, Pietrangelo , Dumba, Campbell, Erhoff, Dillon
    Goalies: Bobrovsky, S. Mason, Mrazek , Vasilevski,

    Scoring: G: 2 A: 1 +/-: 1 PIM: 0.2 W: 4 L: -2 SO:5 OTL: 1

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    Pietrangelo >>> Shattenkirk for sure.

    Pietrangelo
    OEL
    Schultz
    Faulk
    Vatanen

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    If Vatanen can "overcome" the size issue he has a ton of upside

    He reminds me quite a lot of Reijo Routsalainen who was paired with Barry Beck

    Adam Almquist also comes to mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungchen3 View Post
    My ranking on the 4 you specified would be:

    1. Justin Schultz (23)
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    2. Justin Faulk (21)
    3. Sami Vatanen (22)
    .
    4. Roman Josi (23)



    Schultz is among the best of the young crop. But there are others I would covet in a Keeper. Here is how I rank the young bucks (23-under who have at least played a game in the NHL to date):

    1. Oliver Ekman-Larsson (22)
    2. Justin Schultz (23)*
    3. Seth Jones (19)
    4. Morgan Rielly (19)
    5. Dougie Hamilton (20)
    6. Justin Faulk (21)*
    7. Jacob Trouba (19)
    8. Torey Krug (22)
    9. Slava Voynov (23)
    10. Nick Leddy (22)
    11. Sami Vatanen (22)*
    12. Jonas Brodin (20)
    13. Victor Hedman (22)
    14. John Carlson (23)
    15. Jake Gardiner (23)
    16. Ryan Murphy (20)
    17. Mathew Dumba (20)
    18. Cam Fowler (21)
    19. Hampus Lindholm (19)
    20. Nathan Beaulieu (20)
    21. Jared Spurgeon (23)
    22. Travis Hamonic (23)
    23. Ryan Murray (20)
    24. Tyson Barrie (22)
    25. Zach Bogosian (23) / Roman Josi (23)*
    Good list there. I'd rank the four:

    Schultz
    Vatanen
    Faulk
    Josi

    Probably some guys in the list Fung posted that you could get on the cheap. I'd think that Murphy, Dumba and Hamonic might be guys you could get at a decent price.


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