Jonathan Toews
I always tought that he is a better real life hockey player than a fantasy (points only) player.
He is in my opinion overated as a points guy.
I see im as a really good sell very high candidate.
I would like to have your opinion on that one.
Thanks
He is definitely a better NHL player than fantasy player no question. He plays amazing defense. I don't know that he's necessarily a sell high because that would mean his value will drop. I do think if you can get a great return because of how big his name is, then it could be prudent to trade him.
Someone offered me Hertl for Toews...
And now I juste received an offer: RNH for my Toews.
Interesting...
I would need more than RNH or Hertl for Toews.
H2H (10 Team): G, A, PIM, PPP, SOG, Hits, Blocked Shots - W, GAA, Sv%, SO
Keep 4; Play 2C, 2RW, 2LW, 1F, 4D, 1UTL, 2G
C: Crosby, Johansen, Stepan, Johnson
RW: Simmonds, Backes, Toffoli, Okposo, Brouwer
LW: Ovechkin, Lucic, Landeskog, Palat
D: Karlsson, Josi, Shattenkirk, Gudas, Parayko
G: Holtby, Allen, Talbot
Toews is underrated as a fantasy (points only) player. 90+ point upside, 70 points minimum. That's golden.
I wouldn't move Toews even for RNH+Hertl. In fact I would laugh at that kind of offer.
UHL Pittsburgh Penguins
24 Team Fantrax Salary Cap H2H Dynasty League
G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG, SOG, Hits, Blks, FOW
W, GAA, SV, SV%, SO
23 Man Roster - 3C, 3LW, 3RW, 3F, 6D, 1G, 4BN, 4IR
27 Man Minor Team
C- Tavares, Stepan, Granlund, Bjugstad, Couturier
LW- Ryan, Perron, Ennis, Killorn, Spaling
RW- Wheeler, Simmonds, Coyle, Wingels, Shaw
D- JJ, Schultz, Cowen, Muzzin, Bortuzzo, Stanton
G- Lehtonen, Rämö
F: Lehterä, Wennberg, McNeill, de la Rose, Fast, Leivo, Arnold, Archibald, Lindström
D: Gelinas, Beaulieu, Koekkoek, McCabe, Johns, Gryba
G: Berra, Talbot, Brossoit, Ullmark, Lieuwen, Rynnäs
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Basically what I was going to say...nicely put, Matt.Originally Posted by Mattp913
Toews will not put up 90 points.
RNH will....
Toews is a solid PPG player at this point. RNH? Maybe. It's a gamble... I don't see RNH as a perennial 90-100 point guy. He probably has more offensive upside than Toews, but Toews has shown you what he can do. Until RNH plays a full season with good numbers, I wouldn't give up Toews for him.
10th year Keeper League, Fantrax
14 teams, H2H, keep 10, daily starts
G (3), A (2), +/- (1), PIM (0.1), PPP (1), FOW (0.1), FOL (-0.1), BLK (0.5), HAT (3), W (5), SO (3), SV (0.1), GA (-0.5)
C (3) - Schmaltz (LW, RW), Mercer (RW), Norris (IR), Domi (LW), T. Johnson (RW), Nosek (LW)
LW (3) - Keller (RW), Hagel, McCann (C), Zacha (LW), Kubalik (RW), N. Foligno (IR)
RW (3) - Fiala (LW), Vilardi (C), Ehlers (LW), Kakko
D (4) - Theodore, Orlov, Grzelcyk, T. van Riemsdyk, Clifton, Skjei, Weegar
Util (1)
G (1) - Montembault, Allen, Halak
This is the way I look at Toews. On that Chicago team, 90 points is never out of the question for Captain Serious.
From a points only perspective, I wouldn't trade my RNH for Toews. Toews is consistently 70-84. He may have the off 90 season, but why are you so willing to assume that he will hit 90 and not RNH?
RNH rookie season was something like 52 pts in 62 games. Pretty amazing. Last year, he was injured. This year, he is motoring at ppg. Offensively, Edmonton is just as strong as Chicago (defensively, in nets and system - that's another story), and RNH is surrounded by some fairly significnt talent.
Long term for me - RNH.
13 team Keeper, top 8F, 4D and 2G count. 1pt G/A, 2pt W/SO.
Protect up to 500 points in a full season
(K) denotes keeper
Keepers:
F: Draisaitl, Thompson, Thomas, Zuccarello, Konecny, Marchessault Ehlers, O'Reilly, Tarasenko, Perron, Coronato, Seguin, Atkinson, Rossi, Michkov
D: Q Fox, Sergachev, Dobson, York, Hutson
G: Vasilevsky, Jarry, Levi
Give me Toews over RNH any day of the week. I see Toews as a guy who will always be around a PPG with upside for 90+. I don't see RNH as having the same upside.
Straight Points keeper league. Keep 5 Forwards,3 defence,1 goalie.
F: Nicklas Backstrom, Joe Thornton, Henrik Zetterberg, Zach Parise, Logan Couture
D: Erik Karlsson, Alex Pietrangelo, Oliver Ekman-Larsson
G: Sergei Bobrovsky
Thanks for your input.
I think I'm gonna hold on to him...
Curious as to why you think Toews is a "sell-high" candidate.
Do you mean selling high because he won the cup and had the best year of his career last year? He's still only 25 years old... For the last 3 years he has produced 0.95-1.02 pts per game...
Or do you mean selling high after the TB game?
As far as I'm concerned, Toews and CHI have been "slow" starters this year so it wouldn't be selling high at all. (7 pts in 10 games for Toews, PKane 8 pts in 10 games - relatively slow for them).
Yr 3 of 5 Yr - KEEP 4, 12 Manager, H2H - Category
16 man roster
Daily ice: 2 C, 2 LW, 2 RW, 3 D, 2 G
Player Cats: G, A, PPG, PPA, SHP, GWG, +/-, PIM
Goalie Cats: W, GAA, Sv%, SO (3 min starts/wk)
My Team (KEEPERS IN CAPS):
G: RASK, Luongo
D: Weber, Chara, Kronwall
TOEWS C
GETZLAF C
Brassard C
Datsyuk C,LW
COUTURE C,LW
Cammalleri C,LW
Backes C,RW
Franzen LW,RW (IR)
Vertseeg LW,RW (IR)
Roussel LW
Okposo RW
Iginla RW
Traded Away: 5th Round 2015
Traded For: 7th Round 2015
I am on your side with this. I don't understand the love for Toews over RNH, and how anyone can say "Toews' upside is higher than RNH". Seriously? As of this year, they will be similar in point production, with a possibility of RNH out-producing him.
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