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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Ev View Post
    Line of thinking doesn't make sense. If it's better for him to develop in the NHL then it doesn't matter how bad the team is or what his current contract situation is. He stands to gain nothing by going back to the OHL.

    It is not wasting a season of his ELC, at all.
    Yeah, it's wasting a year. You either get 2013-14 to 2015-16 out of him, or you get 2014-15 to 2016-17 out of him. Which three years will he likely be more useful? Because this year is a write-off, and next year probably is too, in terms of playoff hopes for the Flames. At least 3 years down the line they have a chance at being competitive. And if they call him up now, he's a UFA at age 26. If they send him down, that gets extended until age 27. So you either get his age 27 season, when the Flames have a chance at being a good team, or you get his age 19 season right now, when they suck. The cost will be the same. He could already be NHL ready and have nothing to gain by being sent down, but the purpose of being sent down isn't always for talent reasons. And it's hard to dispute that almost every player is much better at age 27 than they are at age 19.

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    Or they just sign him to an 8 year deal after his second season and lock him up long-term, so it doesn't matter when he becomes a UFA really.

    You're acting like he will be gone at age 26 if they keep him this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Ev View Post
    Or they just sign him to an 8 year deal after his second season and lock him up long-term, so it doesn't matter when he becomes a UFA really.

    You're acting like he will be gone at age 26 if they keep him this year.
    They can still sign him to an 8 year deal after his ELC is up if they slide it forward by 12 months. You're still getting his age 27 season in a year where they have a chance at being competitive, in return for his age 19 season in a year where they likely won't be competitive. So no, he might not be gone at age 27, but they'd have to pay something like $6M for his age 27 season as opposed to the $70,000 it would cost if they slide the ELC right now. That's a pretty big difference.

    I know fans don't like to think of things financially and just want to see the best team on the ice in the short term rather than long-term. But having Monahan on his ELC in 2016-17 instead of on a bridge contract/8 year extension gives them an additional ~$6M in cap space that season. And that's not irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skin Blues View Post
    They can still sign him to an 8 year deal after his ELC is up if they slide it forward by 12 months. You're still getting his age 27 season in a year where they have a chance at being competitive, in return for his age 19 season in a year where they likely won't be competitive. So no, he might not be gone at age 27, but they'd have to pay something like $6M for his age 27 season as opposed to the $70,000 it would cost if they slide the ELC right now. That's a pretty big difference.

    I know fans don't like to think of things financially and just want to see the best team on the ice in the short term rather than long-term. But having Monahan on his ELC in 2016-17 instead of on a bridge contract/8 year extension gives them an additional ~$6M in cap space that season. And that's not irrelevant.
    By the time he's 27 the cap will be a billion dollars so it's all good.
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    It'll still be ~10% of the salary cap, whatever it is at that point. It's all relative.

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    Calgary isn't a hockey market that would accept sending him down to the minors/junior when he's good enough to play. This isn't a Columbus.
    They just lost their top supported player, Iginla, the fans need something to cheer for.

    They're doing the Edmonton rebuild, draft high and run with no goaltending. The only way id send him down is if its decided that Monahan playing the NHL would mean they wouldn't be a lotto team. 1 year ELC slide on a team like Calgary doesn't make that big of a deal. 1 year slide on a playoff-bound up-to-the-cap team, it does.



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    So they send him down after 40 games to prevent him getting to UFA, but still have to pay him RFA money for that year (not much less, if at all, than UFA), rather than ELC. You're pissing off the fans by sending down a player that's good enough to be on the team, and also having him enter free agency a year earlier. Worst of both worlds; makes no sense. If they think the fans will be so angry that it does enormous damage to their revenue, they should just keep him up all year.

    And I agree, sliding doesn't help as much for a team not close to the cap, but it still gives them an extra $4M+ cash to spend in 2016-17. And by that point if they're competing, they have the flexibility to bump up salaries closer to the cap, or absorb a high cap hit player in a trade. Although there's the argument that even mediocre/bad team in the West always have a shot at the playoffs. There are 2 fewer teams and you can be the 7th worst team in the conference and still make the playoffs, whereas you'd have to be the 9th worst team in the East (still don't understand how the GMs of the East thought that was acceptable).

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    I really don't see Calgary competing that quickly. There's not many teams in worse shape.

    NHL experience can only be gained by playing in the NHL, and I expect Monahan to remain for the full season. He's going to be the oldest of the top 5 picks they gain over the next 5 years, could become the captain. This years experience will only help him.
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