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    great post, great analysis, i'm glad you're not in my league

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    Quote Originally Posted by mister_mcgoo View Post
    great post, great analysis, i'm glad you're not in my league
    Ha! He won his league this year, post-to-post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfcollins View Post
    I should have clarified in my original post, but I wasn't breaking them down by forward position, just forwards overall. Most of my pools are just forwards, unless it's a Yahoo one-year league, so I often don't think of breaking them down by position.

    Elite left wingers is tough. I would have said Ovi, but he's moved over to RW. Kovalchuk, but he's now in the KHL (although I don't think he has a 100-point season in the NHL in him, at least with the Devils). Taylor Hall is still a year or two away from being elite. James Neal is probably in the discussion. I have more faith in Hall and Neal this season and in the future than Daniel.

    Interesting to note though, that Daniel was something like 11th in points-per-game amongst left wingers this past season.

    Some notes... and I'm only severely critical because I am with most young/new writers... just trying to help them along.
    Based on this thread, I'm assuming you aspire to be a fantasy hockey writer.
    [Taking criticism is paramount for a writer... if you want to make it.]

    1. I think MOST pools these days are by position. So... you have to consider that most of your readers are going by that thinking. I was in 8 pools last year and only two (that I created) were forwards without positions.

    2. James Neal is a RW.

    3. Last year the Western Conference, the lower scoring conference, only played against the Western Conference. If you do an analysis of conference scoring you'll see the Eastern scored significantly more. I think defenses and goaltending are better in the West... so it would not surprise me if several Western forwards kicked it up a few points this year - such as... the Sedins.

    4. Daniel Sedin may have been the 11th LW last year by points-per-game. OK. But how do you forecast the coming year? Do you really think Vanek or Ladd or Kunitz or Pacioretty will score more than Daniel Sedin? Moulson?

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    [Zetterberg is a C, IMO... Rick Nash is a RW, IMO.]


    Anyways... please don't take all of this response as negative.
    It was a really good piece... but IMO, Daniel Sedin LW is still "elite"... as a generic fantasy description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfcollins View Post

    Numbers after age of 32

    The Sedins are now 32 years old, and will turn 33 on Sept. 26. What are the odds they are added to this list?

    Not great. And therein lies the problem. An elite NHL player should have a shot at 100 points. When one thinks of current elite players in the NHL, they think Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Alex Ovechkin, Steven Stamkos and so on.

    Every single one of these guys is considered elite, and a threat to get 100 points. A 70-point player is not elite.
    Good post.
    Outside of Crosby, I don't see anyone putting up 100pts after 32. I doubt Malkin, OV, Stamkos will hit 100pts after 32 years of age.

    Also, this post simply comes down to your definition of ELITE. In fantasy hockey ELITE might not necessarily be only the guys who can hit 100pts. I would say it's the top 5% of the players owned in your league. (My 5% is as arbitrary as your 100pts threshold but I think most would agree we're both "right").

    My league has 12 teams x ~23 forwards = ~276 forwards on team. The top 5% would be the top 13 players.

    The game is becoming very defensively focused and goalies are getting bigger and better.

    Getting near 100pts will be very difficult for even the eliter.

    But I digress......


    YES - The Sedins are in for a decline for several reasons as you mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    Some notes... and I'm only severely critical because I am with most young/new writers... just trying to help them along.
    Based on this thread, I'm assuming you aspire to be a fantasy hockey writer.
    [Taking criticism is paramount for a writer... if you want to make it.]

    1. I think MOST pools these days are by position. So... you have to consider that most of your readers are going by that thinking. I was in 8 pools last year and only two (that I created) were forwards without positions.

    2. James Neal is a RW.

    3. Last year the Western Conference, the lower scoring conference, only played against the Western Conference. If you do an analysis of conference scoring you'll see the Eastern scored significantly more. I think defenses and goaltending are better in the West... so it would not surprise me if several Western forwards kicked it up a few points this year - such as... the Sedins.

    4. Daniel Sedin may have been the 11th LW last year by points-per-game. OK. But how do you forecast the coming year? Do you really think Vanek or Ladd or Kunitz or Pacioretty will score more than Daniel Sedin? Moulson?

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary
    [Zetterberg is a C, IMO... Rick Nash is a RW, IMO.]


    Anyways... please don't take all of this response as negative.
    It was a really good piece... but IMO, Daniel Sedin LW is still "elite"... as a generic fantasy description.
    I appreciate the feedback. I'll have to keep positions in mind in the future.

    Is Neal a RW? I just go by NHL.com, which lists him as a LW. So does Yahoo and Hockey-Reference.com. So I never realized he wasn't one. But if Yahoo and other fantasy hockey sites count him as a LW for fantasy hockey, then Neal should be mentioned in comparison to Sedin. Same with Zetterberg and Nash. I could draft two of them and have them only occupy left wing slots, so they should be considered.

    For this year, I think Hall, Moulson and Kunitz outscore Sedin in points. Vanek, Sharp and Lupul do if healthy. And there will probably be a surprise player or two ahead of him (maybe a Whitney or Evander Kane or Eriksson). So I don't think Sedin finishes in the top-five left wingers for points (especially if Neal, Nash and Zetterberg can count for left wingers in fantasy hockey). Points-per-game is tougher to gauge, since an injury to a hot streak can skew it, so I'll just keep it at points in my predictions.

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