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    Default Kadri,Bryz for Luongo

    Here's the actual deal on the table:

    Kadri, Bryzgalov, 9th overall, 19th overall
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    Luongo, 43rd overall

    Bryz would just be a throw in so it won't appear the other GM will be picking a goalie in the first rnd.

    It's important to know how crazy hard it is to move a goalie in our league.

    What do you guys think?

    This a fair deal?
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    Draft will be all non-keepers and rookies
    13 Team Keeper (keep 6), Weekly lineups, Dress 6 forwards, 4 Defense, 2 Goalies. Points only, 1 goal, 1 assist, 2 goalie win, 2 for goalie shutout

    F:Tavares, Giroux, Spezza, van Riemsdyk, B. Ryan, Little, Filppula, Simmonds, Pominville
    D: Bouwmeester, Goligoski, J.Johnson, Niskanen, Kronwall
    Goalies: Crawford, Bobrovsky

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    For me kadri side i'm not a big fan of briz but with
    the 9th and 19th overall you have to keep it (my opinion)

    I know that luongo is now alone in vancouver with that he will have great stats but i think it is to much for him
    very thought choice

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    What goalies are available in the draft? You mention they are hard to acquire which leads me to think not many are but it would be useful to know.

    I'd lean towards accepting the deal. Tough to loae your first two picks but lounge should be a top 5-top 10 goalie for the next couple years.

    Edit: I am assuming that without this deal your 1st round pick is a goalie?
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    When you say "no positional requirements" I'm assuming that doesn't include D. How many of them do you need?

    In a points-only league I'm wondering if Kronwall is a better keeper than Kadri anyways. But I suppose that's not what you're asking.
    Would you keep two goalies? How many can you count in your scoring system?

    Can you wait a bit? Or can you put a condition on Bryz (if he signs, you get one of the picks back)?

    I think the other owner is smart -- claiming Bryz is a throw-in, but the reality is that if Bryz gets signed sometime, he could be a sleeper. Depends on the team. I wouldn't want to count on him, but he could be a nice throw-in.

    It depends for me on the league scoring -- what counts. If you can count two goalies, then getting a second would be huge. Then I think it's worth the price tag.
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    Unless you count 2 (or 3!) goalies in your league, I would definetly not keep 2 G.
    I play in a very similar league. About 6 (8 max) G are kept each year.
    My advice:
    No trade. Keep your picks.
    Keep Kronwall. Try to trade Kadri for picks.

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    Hey Guys,

    I'll try to clear a few things up here.

    We pick and play two goalies weekly.
    If I didn't get a second goalie my first round pick would be a goalie.

    Let's say every team keeps one goalie and half the league keeps an additional. This eats up approximately 20 of the top goalies.

    In our league top goalies are well above PPG.

    Bryz as a throw in - Even if he were to sign to another team and the GM decides to keep him he's going to have to drop a really good player on a bryzgalov gamble. I wouldn't keep Bryz no matter what at this point.

    Thanks for the input so far - kind of mixed reviews!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewpaloop View Post
    Hey Guys,

    I'll try to clear a few things up here.

    We pick and play two goalies weekly.
    If I didn't get a second goalie my first round pick would be a goalie.

    Let's say every team keeps one goalie and half the league keeps an additional. This eats up approximately 20 of the top goalies.

    In our league top goalies are well above PPG.

    Bryz as a throw in - Even if he were to sign to another team and the GM decides to keep him he's going to have to drop a really good player on a bryzgalov gamble. I wouldn't keep Bryz no matter what at this point.

    Thanks for the input so far - kind of mixed reviews!
    Since you start two goalies, I think you do this. Crawford/Luongo is a nice combo. Although Lu's a bit of a gamble at this point too -- although I'd feel better about his situation than Bryz's.
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    Defense: Campbell, Goligoski, Gonchar, Josi, Demers, Spurgeon, Zidlicky, McBain, Donovan, Muzzin,

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    I would rather have Luongo than Kadri as a keeper, but I'm afraid that losing your 9th and 19th overall picks in the draft will set your team behind..

    I think i would keep what you have.. the picks are too important for this coming year.

    what other picks do you have in the first few rounds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewpaloop View Post
    We pick and play two goalies weekly.
    That changes things.
    You should include in your sig how many of each position you start each week.
    I say Luongo is a better keeper than Kadri.
    Now, only you can tell if the picks downgrade worths the swap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brosive View Post
    I would rather have Luongo than Kadri as a keeper, but I'm afraid that losing your 9th and 19th overall picks in the draft will set your team behind..

    I think i would keep what you have.. the picks are too important for this coming year.

    what other picks do you have in the first few rounds?


    I actually don't have a third or fourth round. I was willing to part way with picks to get a keeper core I liked locked down for a few years to come. Although I may have to move a guy like St. Louis sometime in the near future because of his age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewpaloop View Post
    I actually don't have a third or fourth round. I was willing to part way with picks to get a keeper core I liked locked down for a few years to come. Although I may have to move a guy like St. Louis sometime in the near future because of his age.
    So you'd be without a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pick?? i think that would considerably cripple your team..

    This is equal to having only 4 forwards and 2 defenseman after the first 10 rounds of a draft..

    even though you would solidify your keepers better.. you pretty much have to give up on this upcoming season.. However, it all depends on how many players you must start (you said it was weekly setup right?).. if you only need to play 6 forwards per week it may not be that bad...

    still, i dont like the fact that you miss so many early picks in your draft
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brosive View Post
    So you'd be without a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pick?? i think that would considerably cripple your team..

    This is equal to having only 4 forwards and 2 defenseman after the first 10 rounds of a draft..

    even though you would solidify your keepers better.. you pretty much have to give up on this upcoming season.. However, it all depends on how many players you must start (you said it was weekly setup right?).. if you only need to play 6 forwards per week it may not be that bad...

    still, i dont like the fact that you miss so many early picks in your draft
    We actually start 6 forward, 4 Defense, 2 Goalies weekly.
    2 Forwards, 1 D-man, 1 Goalie on the bench.
    This is our first year so I am not sure how important draft picks are. If I have a solid keeper core going into next year with no draft picks I wouldn't expect to win it all but the following year I would have a really good shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewpaloop View Post
    We actually start 6 forward, 4 Defense, 2 Goalies weekly.
    2 Forwards, 1 D-man, 1 Goalie on the bench.
    This is our first year so I am not sure how important draft picks are. If I have a solid keeper core going into next year with no draft picks I wouldn't expect to win it all but the following year I would have a really good shot.
    well that makes it much closer for me then...
    only thing i would be worried about is potentially missing someone good in round 1 or 2 who could possibly be a keeper option for you next year..
    depth is always good to have, allows you to make trades (like a 2 for 1 where you can upgrade a keeper) or in case of injuries..
    i agree that your keepers will be better, but you wont be left with many options moving forward.. lots can happen in 1 year (look at luongo; had limited value just a couple months ago, now hes back as a starter on a strong team)..

    try to get 1 of your picks removed from the trade.. but either way i wouldnt fault you for doing it.. tenders will probably be hard to come by

    just make sure you do your research and maximize your remaining picks
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