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    In a rebuilding team I have the #2, #4, #5, #8, #9, #10 #20 overall picks in a 10 team 6 round prospect draft. Should I even bother taking Jones with any pick from 5-10? I won't be ready for another 2 full plus seasons to compete for $$$ but in 3-4 years will Jones have been worth the wait or should I stick with all forwards and pass on Jones completely?

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    maybe the 9 or 10. Depends where other guys go. Is it just this years draft?
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    Stats: G(3), A(2), +/-, PIM(0.5), PPP(2), SHP(3), GWG(2), SOG (0.1), HITS(0.1), BLKS(0.2), W(3), OTL (1), GA(-1), SV(0.2), SO(3)

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    LW: Parise, Benn (LW/C), Hall, Skinner, Toffoli (RW/LW/C)
    RW: Perry, Wheeler, Hemsky, Bennett
    D: Doughty, Kronwall, Byfuglien, Josi
    G: Schneider, Hiller, Andersen, Lack
    IR: Harding, Yakupov

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    If you can stash in your farm, he should be worth it by year 3 for sure. He'll be a star Dmen.
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    Without knowing exactly what the rest of your prospect situation looks like, I'd certainly consider taking him with one of your later 1st round picks, maybe at #10 if he's still available.
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    I don't know what your team is like today so I don't know how much you need this draft, but I personally would try and trade some combination of the 8, 9, and 10 (or all three if necessary) for the 1, and then try and get all of Mac, Drou, Barkov, and Nichu with those picks.
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    Stats: G(3), A(2), +/-, PIM(0.5), PPP(2), SHP(3), GWG(2), SOG (0.1), HITS(0.1), BLKS(0.2), W(3), OTL (1), GA(-1), SV(0.2), SO(3)

    C: Crosby, Seguin (C/RW), Pavelski (C/RW), Datsyuk, Nugent-Hopkins, Bonino, Zajac
    LW: Parise, Benn (LW/C), Hall, Skinner, Toffoli (RW/LW/C)
    RW: Perry, Wheeler, Hemsky, Bennett
    D: Doughty, Kronwall, Byfuglien, Josi
    G: Schneider, Hiller, Andersen, Lack
    IR: Harding, Yakupov

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    I'll make your life easier. I hold the #7 pick and I intend on drafting Jones if he is available.

    I'm taking lessons from Sakic and Roy

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    Depends on your league format (how many players at each position, stat categories and their weight...)

    If this is a standard cat league, I would go for Jones when you reach number 8 but not before (he should be gone after your 10th though).

    Odds are this is what you should have (X):
    1) MacKinnon
    2) Drouin X
    3) Barkov
    4) Lindholm X
    5) Nichushkin X
    6) Monahan
    7) Domi or Horvat (this pick is the though one, as I think Jones should go ahead of these 2... if he doesn't though, he's all yours... I feel picking Jones ahead of Lindholm or Nichuskin in a standard league is not the best decision fantasy-wise. If your league counts Hits and Blocked Shots, pick him over Nichushkin)
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    C- Crosby, Spezza, Statsny, Ennis
    LW- MacKinnon, Landeskog, Nyquist, Boedker
    RW- Pavelski, Oshie, Niederreiter
    D- Yandle, Carlson, Maatta, B.Smith
    G- Price, Varlamov, Lehtonen, Greiss

    Potential drops: S.Koivu, Anisimov, (Kovalchuk)

    Minors:
    F: Forsberg, Phillips
    D: Rundblad, Pulock, Kichton, Sanguinetti
    G: Raanta, Berra, Zatkoff, Nihlstorp, Taylor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akkei View Post
    I'll make your life easier. I hold the #7 pick and I intend on drafting Jones if he is available.

    I'm taking lessons from Sakic and Roy
    Ha!!! that answers my question... Do you guys have hits and blocked shots in your league?
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    Scoring Cats: G-A-PTS-PPG-PPA-(+/-)-PIM-SHP-SOG-FW-GWG / W-L-SVS-SV%-GAA-SO

    C- Crosby, Spezza, Statsny, Ennis
    LW- MacKinnon, Landeskog, Nyquist, Boedker
    RW- Pavelski, Oshie, Niederreiter
    D- Yandle, Carlson, Maatta, B.Smith
    G- Price, Varlamov, Lehtonen, Greiss

    Potential drops: S.Koivu, Anisimov, (Kovalchuk)

    Minors:
    F: Forsberg, Phillips
    D: Rundblad, Pulock, Kichton, Sanguinetti
    G: Raanta, Berra, Zatkoff, Nihlstorp, Taylor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bass56 View Post
    Ha!!! that answers my question... Do you guys have hits and blocked shots in your league?
    No, it's a point league (1st league in my signature).

    In the 1st round, I want players that are very likely to become fantasy relevant. As much as I like Domi and Horvat, they are not bluechip prospects. If Jones becomes a 40+ pts defenseman, which I think is very likely, then I'll have what I am hoping to get from this pick (i.e. a solid roster player).
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    D: Campbell, Keith, Kulikov, Ekman-Larsson, Bieksa, McDonagh
    G: Lundqvist, Miller

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bass56 View Post
    Depends on your league format (how many players at each position, stat categories and their weight...)

    If this is a standard cat league, I would go for Jones when you reach number 8 but not before (he should be gone after your 10th though).

    Odds are this is what you should have (X):
    1) MacKinnon
    2) Drouin X
    3) Barkov
    4) Lindholm X
    5) Nichushkin X
    6) Monahan
    7) Domi or Horvat (this pick is the though one, as I think Jones should go ahead of these 2... if he doesn't though, he's all yours... I feel picking Jones ahead of Lindholm or Nichuskin in a standard league is not the best decision fantasy-wise. If your league counts Hits and Blocked Shots, pick him over Nichushkin)
    I don't disagree with this order, other than if it was me I would hope to get Mackinnon over Drouin. I think long term he will be the better fantasy player.

    if Jones is going at 7, and you can't move up to the 1 with your 8,9,10 (those are the only three I would move to go to 1, if you're rebuilding you need those lower picks) I would probably take Domi, Horvat, and Shinkaruk with those picks. Shinkaruk is a hit or miss guy, he is either going to be a bust or big point producer IMO. Maybe Wennberg though, sounds like that kid could be a player.
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    Stats: G(3), A(2), +/-, PIM(0.5), PPP(2), SHP(3), GWG(2), SOG (0.1), HITS(0.1), BLKS(0.2), W(3), OTL (1), GA(-1), SV(0.2), SO(3)

    C: Crosby, Seguin (C/RW), Pavelski (C/RW), Datsyuk, Nugent-Hopkins, Bonino, Zajac
    LW: Parise, Benn (LW/C), Hall, Skinner, Toffoli (RW/LW/C)
    RW: Perry, Wheeler, Hemsky, Bennett
    D: Doughty, Kronwall, Byfuglien, Josi
    G: Schneider, Hiller, Andersen, Lack
    IR: Harding, Yakupov

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    With that many picks, I would take Jones at 5.. Why not take the best "points" d-man in the draft with the 5th pick.. Don't let him slip to 7th..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akkei View Post
    I'll make your life easier. I hold the #7 pick and I intend on drafting Jones if he is available.

    I'm taking lessons from Sakic and Roy
    hahaha...you kill me...I figured you might see this anyway...I more or less want to see what the concensus is of whether or not Jones is still a decent option in Nashville!

    Here is my team. We can keep forward and defense prospects for 4 years and goalie prospects for 5 years before they become free agents....

    Colin Wilson - Cam Atkinson - Brad Boyes
    Devin Setoguchi - Patrik Berglund - Artem Anisimov
    Damien Brunner - Tyler Bozak - Jiri Tlusty
    Troy Brouwer - Josh Bailey - Mason Raymond

    Slava Voynov - Victor Hedman
    Nick Leddy - Jay Bouwmeester
    Josh Gorges - Ian White

    Simeon Varlamov - Corey Crawford


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    Drew Stafford
    Mikhael Grabovski
    Jamie McGinn
    Nikolai Kulemin
    Benoit Pouliot
    Ray Emery
    Michael Neuvirth
    Matt Frattin


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    Beau Bennett Pittsburgh '10
    Sven Bartschi Calgary '11
    Drayson Bowman Carolina '10
    Jordan Caron Boston '11
    Joe Colborne Toronto '10
    Emerson Etem Anaheim '11
    Radek Faksa Dallas '12
    Seth Griffith Boston '12
    Rocco Grimaldi Florida '11
    Quinton Howden Florida '12
    Chris Kreider New York '10
    Nikita Kucherov Tampa '11
    Evgeny Kuznetsov Washington '10
    Johan Larsson Minnesota '12
    Andrei Loktionov Devils '10
    Patrick Maroon Anaheim '12
    Mark McNeil Chicago '11
    Brock Nelson Islanders '12
    Stefan Noesen Ottawa '11
    Shane Prince Ottawa '12
    Victor Rask Carolina '12
    Mark Scheifele Winnipeg '11
    Brendan Shinnimin Phoenix '12
    Jakob Silfverberg Ottawa '11

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    Adam Clendening Chicago '12
    Calvin de Haan Islanders '10
    Martin Gernat Edmonton '12
    Marc Andre-Gragnani Buffalo '11
    Dougie Hamilton Boston '11
    Derrick Pouliot Pittsburgh '12
    Morgan Reilly Toronto '12
    David Rundblad Ottawa '10
    David Savard Columbus '11
    Sami Vatanen Anaheim '12

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    John Gibson Anaheim '12
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    Jones at 5 is great value, even in a points only league.

    It probably comes down to Jones vs Monahan/Lindholm/Nichuskin.

    To me Jones outweighs Nichuskin, so Jones vs Monahan or Lindholm, and since you have 4th overall too I would draft:

    Drouin at 2,
    Barkov or Lindholm at 4
    and Jones at 5

    Especially since you are willing to wait.

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    Points only I bet Nichuskin easily outweighs Monahan and Lindholm in 2 years.
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    Stats: G(3), A(2), +/-, PIM(0.5), PPP(2), SHP(3), GWG(2), SOG (0.1), HITS(0.1), BLKS(0.2), W(3), OTL (1), GA(-1), SV(0.2), SO(3)

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    LW: Parise, Benn (LW/C), Hall, Skinner, Toffoli (RW/LW/C)
    RW: Perry, Wheeler, Hemsky, Bennett
    D: Doughty, Kronwall, Byfuglien, Josi
    G: Schneider, Hiller, Andersen, Lack
    IR: Harding, Yakupov

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    Id bet that.

    Monahan and Lindholm are MUCH safer picks, and I don't gamble on Russians.

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