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    Gents,

    In my league (in sig) I am contemplating a potential trade offer:

    I get Shea Weber in exchange for Drew Doughty and Tyler Myers.

    Goals are bonused in my league, D-Men are Gold.

    Yay? Nay? Thoughts?
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    I think Webers more reliable for offence (goals) than Doughty so I'd do the deal. Doughty's career high was 16g (during his 59 pt season) and hasn't come close to that since. Webers had at least 16g five times.

    Myers value seems very low now, but don't see it going up unless he is dealt from Buffalo.

    Considering you play 6D thats a crazy potential lineup: Karlsson, Weber, P.Subban, Pietrangelo, Yandle, Shattenkirk, Chara, Kronwall

    I had Chara, Letang, Byfuglien, Phaneuf, Suter, and Yandle at one point in my now defunct league, and that's nothing compared to yours.
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    Go with Weber IMO.

    Let's be honest, Myers is pretty much never going to draw into your lineup given your depth at D. I'd rather have Karlsson, Subban, AP, Doughty (or Weber), Chara, Shattenkirk, Yandle, Kronwall, Visnovsky, JJ, etc. etc. in the roster ahead of Myers. You start 6 D and I just listed 10 guys I'd rather ice over him...so you have a bit of an injury cushion as well.

    I basically consider it Weber straight up for Doughty and in a goal bonus league I'll take Weber every time.

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    6 team weekly start H2H - yeah I would do it - Myers isn't a factor in this deal at all as far as I am concerned.
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    I would take the deal, a consistent elite performer for two variable performers, especially when goals are weighted.

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    I agree with everyone above, make the deal.
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    Fung ... You are the d guy!! What would you say if responding? DD has the talent to be great for many years, but it appears he will be stuck in a minute muncher almost shutdown role.. Slava got signed long term to run that point... Take the great already in Weber... Your farm is great and can handle this. I sold high on DD early last year for Hall, I suggest you do it to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungchen3 View Post
    Gents,

    In my league (in sig) I am contemplating a potential trade offer:

    I get Shea Weber in exchange for Drew Doughty and Tyler Myers.

    Goals are bonused in my league, D-Men are Gold.

    Yay? Nay? Thoughts?
    I love DD as all know, but I too would pull the trigger on this one. I think DD settles in on 35-43 points annually, whereas Weber will outpoint him especially in the goal department. Good luck.
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    I'd go with Weber.
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    Thanks fellas. Talks are tabled for now. We may revise to include a bigger deal or one involving picks (waiting to see who gets drafted where tomorrow first). I really appreciate the replies. I thought the responses would be pro-Weber, I just HATE that he's on the Preds. Ugh.
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    *DMen/Captain: G=3/A=2
    Goalies: W=3, OTL=1, SO= +2, SV= .10

    Start = 13F, 6D, 2G / Keep 44 (3G Max)
    *Captain: Malkin
    (F): Tavares, Stamkos, Backstrom, Tarasenko, Eichel, MacKinnon, Kessel, Pacioretty, Kopitar, Gaudreau, R.Johansen, Okposo, Radulov, Kuznetsov, Kucherov, F.Forsberg, Toffoli, Drouin, Burakovsky, Ehlers, W.Nylander, Marner, Rantanen
    (*D): Karlsson, P.Subban, Letang, Ekman-Larsson, Byfuglien, Shattenkirk, T.Barrie, Hedman, Pietrangelo, Ristolainen, M.Rielly, Pouliot, Theodore, Provorov, Pulock, DeAngelo, Montour
    (G): Price, Holtby, Vasilevskiy

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungchen3 View Post
    Thanks fellas. Talks are tabled for now. We may revise to include a bigger deal or one involving picks (waiting to see who gets drafted where tomorrow first). I really appreciate the replies. I thought the responses would be pro-Weber, I just HATE that he's on the Preds. Ugh.
    Yeah well I hate that DD got bumped down because he is such a good defender - luckily I had Voynov on the farm. Actually Weber has been one of two clear buy low candidates for this off-season.
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    Myers is pretty much a non-factor fantasy wise these days. So this is basically Weber for Doughty and I'd rather have Weber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carcillo View Post
    Myers is pretty much a non-factor fantasy wise these days. So this is basically Weber for Doughty and I'd rather have Weber.
    You don't see a bounce-back at all? I actually think Myers is one of the cheapest buys in a deep keeper, especially where D points are bonused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungchen3 View Post
    You don't see a bounce-back at all? I actually think Myers is one of the cheapest buys in a deep keeper, especially where D points are bonused.
    Nope. Not a believer in Myers. His game has regressed every year he's been in NHL.
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    This morning I received a counter offer:

    Doughty, Kronwall and Myers

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    Weber and Corvo

    Not sure I like that quite as much. Kronwall is Deroit's #1 and had the 3rd most pool points out of my D-Men (would have been 4th if Karlsson was healthy). I would leave Corvo unprotected.

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    Kronwall - 75 pool points
    Weber - 70 pool points
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    Goalies: W=3, OTL=1, SO= +2, SV= .10

    Start = 13F, 6D, 2G / Keep 44 (3G Max)
    *Captain: Malkin
    (F): Tavares, Stamkos, Backstrom, Tarasenko, Eichel, MacKinnon, Kessel, Pacioretty, Kopitar, Gaudreau, R.Johansen, Okposo, Radulov, Kuznetsov, Kucherov, F.Forsberg, Toffoli, Drouin, Burakovsky, Ehlers, W.Nylander, Marner, Rantanen
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    (G): Price, Holtby, Vasilevskiy

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