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    I'm in salary cap hell and need advice. Other GMs are starting to low ball me with offers because they know I need to shed salary. The market for Malkin doesn't even exist in my league. The best I've been offered is a 5th round pick for Malkin.

    I need help on who to keep and who to hang on to. Right now I'm at 64.5 mill with 7 players unsigned. I need to shed $$$ but who. I think the obvious choices to start with are Michalek and Bryzgalov.

    Strictly points league with d-man getting 1.5 points on every point.
    10 teams. Drop up to 11 players, 64 million cap

    Here is my current team:
    Crosby, Sidney--------F-----$8.70
    Malkin, Evgeni---------F----- $8.70
    Lundqvist, Henrik------ G---- $6.88
    Backstrom, Nicklas---- F-----$6.70
    Hall, Taylor------------ F-----$6.00
    Bryzgalov, Ilja--------- G----- $5.67
    Michalek, Milan-------- F----- $4.33
    Nugent-Hopkins-------- F-----$3.78
    Turris, Kyle------------- F----- $3.50
    Grabner, Michael------- F------ $3.00
    Del Zotto, Michael------ D----- $2.55
    McBain, Jamie----------- D----- $1.80
    Brodin, Jonas-----------D----- $1.44
    Read, Matt-------------- F----- $0.90
    MacDonald, Andrew----D-----$0.55
    Anisimov, Artemis------ F------RFA
    Rundblad, David-------- D-----RFA
    Bozak, Tyler------------ F------ UFA
    Clitsome, Grant-------- D----- UFA
    Bergeron, Marc-Andr--D----- UFA
    Beleskey, Matt--------- F----- RFA
    Bickell, Bryan---------- F----- UFA
    9 teams
    1 point per forward point ; 1.5 points per d-man point; Goalies 2 points/win, 5 points/shutout
    NHL Salary cap in effect
    Picks 2013 Draft: 4,13,14,16,25,31
    13 FORWARDS:
    Crosby-Malkin-Hall-Nugent Hopkins-Read-Backstrom-Grabner-Turris-Anisimov-Bozak-Belesky-Bickell-Michalek

    7 DEFENCE:
    Runblad-Clitsome-Del Zotto-Andrew MacDonald-Bergeron-McBain-Brodin

    2 GOALIES:
    Bryzgalov-Lundqvist

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    Bryzgalov and Michalek are great starts. I would also look into finding equivalent replacements for Grabner and Turris. Basically, work towards trimming out the depth parts. Keep your star players.
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    You're in tough. No matter how you look at it you can't keep all of your stars, it just won't add up so the 2nd liners should go first. Your goal should be to survive the cap crunch next year without gutting your team and look for a big in your face come back the year after when you get room again.

    I'd drop Michalek. Might hurt if he has a healthy season but that's too much salary for such an injury prone player. Ditto to Grabner.

    Bryz probably doesn't have much value right now, but maybe you can create a package around him for a cheaper starter. I wouldn't drop him unless there are lots of starters at draft time.

    Are there farm teams in your league? If not then trade all your depth players for draft picks, since in a 10 team league with rosters of that size there are bound to be many many cheap options to fill a roster out with at draft time.
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    Without knowing your waiver wire or drafting options i cant be as precise as i'd like but.

    Bryzgalov, Ilja--------- G----- $5.67
    Michalek, Milan-------- F----- $4.33
    Turris, Kyle------------- F----- $3.50
    Grabner, Michael------- F------ $3.00


    Anisimov, Artemis------ F------RFA
    Bozak, Tyler------------ F------ UFA
    Bergeron, Marc-Andr--D----- UFA
    Bickell, Bryan---------- F----- UFA

    The top 4 go now. I try and work the trade market to turn them into picks or youth still on EL. The second grouping i'm also looking to remove before they sign their new deals. These guys who dont have contracts might be easier to move along than the above.

    If you have a waiver system in your league and teams are all as small as yours i'd say you could easily find guys who'd fit your system and cost much less.
    Pool A
    G, A, +/-, PM, PPG, SHG W L T SO SV% GAA
    Cap 80,375,000
    Center: Backstrom, Giroux, Stepan, Spezza
    Wing: Ovechkin, Hall, Kessell, Nash, Voracek, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Schwartz
    Defence: Karlsson, Goligoski, Schultz, Barrie, Gardiner, Smith
    Goalie : Lundqvist, Dubnyk, Lehner
    Farm: Monohan, Bjugstad, Shinkaruk, Horvat, Killorn, Rattie


    Pool B
    G, A, PTS, +/-, Hits, GWG W SO GAA SV%
    Cap 80,375,000
    F: Ovechkin, Kessell, Lupol, Backstrom, Giroux, Stepan, JvR, Forsburg, Landeskog, Etem, Eakin, Saad
    D: Green, Letand, Staal, McDonaugh, Faulk, Barrie
    G: Lundqvist, Halak
    Bench: Lecavalier, Grabovski
    Farm: Shinkaruk, Lindholm, Larsson, Gardiner, Visetin

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    Further.

    10 teams. 2 goalies per team. No bench.

    That's the top 16 goalies gone. That right there should make the process of replacing Bryz easy.

    Pick up a young up and coming starter. (or do you have minor leagues guys get stashed in?)

    I cant see how under these terms Markstrom is owned at all. I'm sure a guy like Elliot isnt. Bernier and play the odds of a deal?

    Top 16 goalies is a very short list.
    Pool A
    G, A, +/-, PM, PPG, SHG W L T SO SV% GAA
    Cap 80,375,000
    Center: Backstrom, Giroux, Stepan, Spezza
    Wing: Ovechkin, Hall, Kessell, Nash, Voracek, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Schwartz
    Defence: Karlsson, Goligoski, Schultz, Barrie, Gardiner, Smith
    Goalie : Lundqvist, Dubnyk, Lehner
    Farm: Monohan, Bjugstad, Shinkaruk, Horvat, Killorn, Rattie


    Pool B
    G, A, PTS, +/-, Hits, GWG W SO GAA SV%
    Cap 80,375,000
    F: Ovechkin, Kessell, Lupol, Backstrom, Giroux, Stepan, JvR, Forsburg, Landeskog, Etem, Eakin, Saad
    D: Green, Letand, Staal, McDonaugh, Faulk, Barrie
    G: Lundqvist, Halak
    Bench: Lecavalier, Grabovski
    Farm: Shinkaruk, Lindholm, Larsson, Gardiner, Visetin

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    Thanks guys,
    As you suggested, I think the healthy thing to do is see what kind of market exists with my depth players. As of now, Turris seems to be generating the only interest at the moment.

    My league allows 4 waiver pickups through out the season with no farm teams.
    9 teams
    1 point per forward point ; 1.5 points per d-man point; Goalies 2 points/win, 5 points/shutout
    NHL Salary cap in effect
    Picks 2013 Draft: 4,13,14,16,25,31
    13 FORWARDS:
    Crosby-Malkin-Hall-Nugent Hopkins-Read-Backstrom-Grabner-Turris-Anisimov-Bozak-Belesky-Bickell-Michalek

    7 DEFENCE:
    Runblad-Clitsome-Del Zotto-Andrew MacDonald-Bergeron-McBain-Brodin

    2 GOALIES:
    Bryzgalov-Lundqvist

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaftodd View Post
    Bryzgalov, Ilja--------- G----- $5.67
    Michalek, Milan-------- F----- $4.33
    Turris, Kyle------------- F----- $3.50
    Grabner, Michael------- F------ $3.00
    I would drop/trade these four as well but I would also look at trading RNH. Out of all the Kids in Edm he will have the hardest time staying healthy as he is just too small. You should be able to get a good return on RNH especially if you have any Oilers fans in your pool.
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    I would say you need to get to a point where you have $1.5m per player available.

    In order, I'd drop:
    1st: Bryz
    2nd: Michalek
    3rd: Grabner

    I would try to hold onto Turris and M.A. Bergeron. MAB is an awful defensemen (real-world-NHL value), but when he plays he puts up great point-per-game numbers as a "scorer only".

    Good luck.

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    I put some feelers out there from your suggestions and here's what has come back:

    1) Patrick Kane + Sean Couturier + 4th round pick for Malkin
    I basically trading money for money here but I gain a cheap player and a pick

    2) 1st round pick (7th overall) + Clitsome + Anisimove for Malkin
    Basically clearing cap space here which opens up some room to entertain the 3rd and 4th options

    3) Edler + 2nd round pick for 3rd and 4th round picks
    Edler would help my weak defensive presence

    4) Towes for 4th round picks

    5) Turris for 3 round pick

    6) Keep Malkin and dump guys like bryzgalov, Michalek and grabner.

    Any thoughts of what I should do?
    9 teams
    1 point per forward point ; 1.5 points per d-man point; Goalies 2 points/win, 5 points/shutout
    NHL Salary cap in effect
    Picks 2013 Draft: 4,13,14,16,25,31
    13 FORWARDS:
    Crosby-Malkin-Hall-Nugent Hopkins-Read-Backstrom-Grabner-Turris-Anisimov-Bozak-Belesky-Bickell-Michalek

    7 DEFENCE:
    Runblad-Clitsome-Del Zotto-Andrew MacDonald-Bergeron-McBain-Brodin

    2 GOALIES:
    Bryzgalov-Lundqvist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cage View Post
    6) Keep Malkin and dump guys like bryzgalov, Michalek and grabner.
    This one.

    The key to winning salary cap leagues is to get best "production per dollar".
    Here's the trick, it does NOT come SIMPLY from rostering the top players.
    Salary Cap value comes from creating flexible/streamable slot(s) for the minimum-salary-players.

    Imagine two teams spending $21m each on four forwards.

    Team A:
    Crosby $9m (100pts) (11pts per $1m)
    Malkin $9m (90pts) (10pts per $1m)
    ________
    ________

    Team B:
    Benn $6m (70pts) (12pts per $1m)
    Eriksson $5m (60pts) (12pts per $1m)
    Wheeler $5m (60pts) (12pts per $1m)
    Lupul $5m (60pts) (12pts per $1m)


    On first glance, Team B looks better.
    All four of their players get more points per $1m, than Team A's superstars.

    Team A: 190pts (needs two more players)
    Team B: 250pts


    Now here's the thing.
    It is EASY to find two more players for $3m to score 60+pts.

    These kinds of players emerge every year.
    AND - you can grab them, ditch them, swap them... ride them while they are hot.

    ANA: For $1.8m, somebody could've rode Daniel Winnik's early hot streak.
    ANA: For $0.7m, somebody could've rode Nick Bonino while he was hot.
    BOS: For $0.6m, somebody could've grabbed Soderberg at end of year.
    BUF: For $0.9m, somebody could've had Marcus Foligno while hot...
    BUF: For $1.5m, somebody could grab Nathan Gerbe if he gets a top two line spot...

    ...every team has a player or two like this that get hot, or a short promotion to PP2 or top two lines.

    THAT is the biggest value in salary cap leagues.
    You can get a $1m guy that produces at 40pts (for a short time).

    That's a 40pt/$1m value... the highest possible.
    You create a slot for these guys by rostering the elite superstars.
    Those superstars give you guaranteed decent production and then you RIDE the bargain-bin players for their value.

    This is something I call a HIGH-LOW theory and I swear by it in salary cap leagues.



    As a math equation, if we consider that the average ELITE player makes $9m and the average bargain player makes $1.5m: then two equations could be written to determine how many superstars & scrubs a team should roster for maximum "value".

    X = number of elite superstars making $9m.
    Y = number of bargain-bin scrubs making $1.5m.
    Z = number of total skater roster spots

    X + Y = Z
    9X + 1.5Y = (Amount of Salary Cap space available for Skaters)

    Solve those two formulas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    Here's the trick, it does NOT come SIMPLY from rostering the top players.
    Sorry, couldn't hep myself...


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    Thanks pengwin7 for the reply. I will try out your strategy.

    By unanimous decision. I'm going hopefully find buyers for mickalek and bryzgalov or drop them.
    9 teams
    1 point per forward point ; 1.5 points per d-man point; Goalies 2 points/win, 5 points/shutout
    NHL Salary cap in effect
    Picks 2013 Draft: 4,13,14,16,25,31
    13 FORWARDS:
    Crosby-Malkin-Hall-Nugent Hopkins-Read-Backstrom-Grabner-Turris-Anisimov-Bozak-Belesky-Bickell-Michalek

    7 DEFENCE:
    Runblad-Clitsome-Del Zotto-Andrew MacDonald-Bergeron-McBain-Brodin

    2 GOALIES:
    Bryzgalov-Lundqvist

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