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    We have an expansion GM joining our pool this spring and I can protect 8 keepers + 1 prospect. I've managed my roster so that this decision is pretty elementary...

    Crosby
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    Backstrom
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    Rask
    Price
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    Huberdeau...prospect

    I am allowed to partially protect one more player [if this partial protected player is chosen] it will be the only player the expansion GM can take from roster. I think my best F remaining are Moulson/Lupul/Wheeler/Pacioretty. My best remaining D are Goligoski/Carlson/Faulk.

    Who would you "flag"? Points only for F, with 2 points per D goal.
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    Scoring F=1[g/a]; D=2[g], 1[a]; G=2[w], -1[L], 1[OT], 2[SO] Top 12 F, 6 D, 2 G count

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    Keith, Goligoski, Carlson, Krug, Trouba, Streit, Pouliot, Ceci, Nurse, Martinez
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    Seeing as only your top 2 goalies count, I would keep both Moulson and Wheeler over Fleury, and I would partially protect the other one or Faulk. Faulk > Goli

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    I would protect:
    Crosby
    Ovechkin
    Backstrom
    Letang
    Byfuglien
    Rask
    Price
    Fleury
    Huberdeau...prospect

    And partially protect Moulson.

    I would keep all your goalies. In your format Fleury is gold. Pittsburgh will be a great team for a long time and will have lots of wins and few Loses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    Seeing as only your top 2 goalies count, I would keep both Moulson and Wheeler over Fleury, and I would partially protect the other one or Faulk. Faulk > Goli
    Thanks for the input. It does seem counter-intuitive to protect 3 goalies when no more than 2 will ever count. I tried to trade one this year, but couldn't get proper value so I kept them all. My problem is that I believe any one of these G is worth more than Moulson or Wheeler straight up. Forwards are way easier to acquire during the season, but top end G are nearly impossible. I do plan to shop one next season, but I'll get several players back or one really good one.

    Fleury is usually good for around 70 points. Moulson is comparable...say 75. There are way less 70+ point goalies than 70+ point forwards...hence my reasoning.
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    Scoring F=1[g/a]; D=2[g], 1[a]; G=2[w], -1[L], 1[OT], 2[SO] Top 12 F, 6 D, 2 G count

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    Crosby, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Wheeler, Byfuglien, Hornqvist, Simmonds, Ladd, Zuccarello, Ribeiro, Desharnais, Semin, MacArthur, Moulson, Purcell, Soderberg, Dupuis
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewklassen View Post
    Thanks for the input. It does seem counter-intuitive to protect 3 goalies when no more than 2 will ever count. I tried to trade one this year, but couldn't get proper value so I kept them all. My problem is that I believe any one of these G is worth more than Moulson or Wheeler straight up. Forwards are way easier to acquire during the season, but top end G are nearly impossible. I do plan to shop one next season, but I'll get several players back or one really good one.

    Fleury is usually good for around 70 points. Moulson is comparable...say 75. There are way less 70+ point goalies than 70+ point forwards...hence my reasoning.
    I'm inclined to agree with your reasoning, I think you pretty well know what you're doing. I would either partially protect Moulson or Lupul, it's a toss up for me but Moulson is definitely the safe play. Riding shotgun with JT and consistently being in the lineup, definitely a good situation.

    In your format, goalies like Price/Rask/Fleury are (should be) very valuable, and you should keep your best players, worrying about roster concerns later on. You can always make a move to shop any one of your goalies.

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    You mention that 70+ point forwards are easier to acquire thant 70+ goalies. But the 70+ point forward will most certainly count in your top 12 F; whereas Fleury may very well end up netting you a big 0.

    We have a similar format, except 12 teams and only 1 goalie counts.

    I usually find keeping 1 stud goalie is sufficient, as decent (short-term) goalies can often be picked up as UFAs in my league. For example, Nabokov and Backstrom were picked up as UFAs in our league this year (the former was picked up by the Fleury owner).

    All this to say, my initial instinct was along the same lines as rataylor (though we disagree on Faulk --I'd go Moulson and then either Wheeler or Goli).

    That said, you know you're league best.

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    Between Moulson and Goligoski I think it's easily Moulson. He's a steady 60 point forward and Goligoski is a total crap shoot. I'd much rather have a consistenc guy over a gamble in my mid-range depth forwards.
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    Moulson over Goligoski for me as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    You mention that 70+ point forwards are easier to acquire thant 70+ goalies. But the 70+ point forward will most certainly count in your top 12 F; whereas Fleury may very well end up netting you a big 0.
    This is true, but in a limited keeper league the first 3 rounds all have possible 65-70 point forwards available to be had. When teams fall out of contention these players who may or may not be ultimate keepers become trade bait and their points come with them in a deal. This is where, if I choose to, I could trade one of my stud G [whoever sits 3rd in counting for me next season] for a package of players [maybe I don't keep any of them] that sends me 30+ points in the standings. I lose a stud, but use him via trade to lock up a top 3 money spot [hopefully a win].

    I usually find keeping 1 stud goalie is sufficient, as decent (short-term) goalies can often be picked up as UFAs in my league. For example, Nabokov and Backstrom were picked up as UFAs in our league this year (the former was picked up by the Fleury owner).
    This does happen, but it's rare. Next year there will be 10 GMs...20 counting goalies [2 per roster]. Because regulation losses subtract points from your totals having at least 2 goalies on winning teams is critical [and these types of players are almost never available via trade b/c they're primary keepers even on teams that are rebuilding]. While keeping 3 is overkill, it means I don't have to worry about drafting any goalies and if one of my goalies gets hurt I'm not screwed b/c I assume the points gap between my 2nd and 3rd won't be that much.

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    Scoring F=1[g/a]; D=2[g], 1[a]; G=2[w], -1[L], 1[OT], 2[SO] Top 12 F, 6 D, 2 G count

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    Defense
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    Keeping 3G is sound strategy.
    I help a buddy with a full-seasons-points pool and we always keep 3G... because one is bound to have an off-year or get traded and you don't want to have to trade for a 2nd goalie (costs a king's ransom).

    Moulson is your partial-protect guy here.

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