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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpp87 View Post
    who doesnt need quality player on the same line to produce except Crosby ???

    Stamkos is producing with St-Louis
    Toews is producing with Keith, Hossa, Kane, Saad
    Tavares has Moulson
    Ovechkin has Backstrom and/or ribeiro
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    I think it is normal

    he would still be on pace for a 65-72 points season.....

    nobody tought he was going to be over a 34-40 pts season over 82 games...
    The difference is those guys can produce on their own. Obviously, you put the most talented players together. But Patrick Kane, as an example, plays the most with Troy Brouwer. As ddp mentioned, top players don't need top linemates to get it done. Stamkos would still be a top player without St. Louis. So would Tavares. etc. etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfcollins View Post
    Kadri is the cover guy for the Hockey News this week. In the article, Kadri says why he didn't perform well in the AHL. He said he needs top quality line mates to be able to rack up points. He used Lupul as an example.

    I'm a Kadri owner, and have faith in him. But knowing that he believes he needs top line mates to make him better instead of vice versa makes me a little nervous for the future.


    I think he's being taken out of context a bit on this one. I'm guessing he meant to produce at a higher level, he needs more talent, rather than to just produce, on his own.

    I still agree that the jury still needs to be out on him. He may be a star in waiting (he has skills), but the more hits he takes, the more shifts he gets (especially less sheltered) may take a toll on him, and I think his numbers will reflect that.
    If I was a Leafs fan or still a Kadri owner, I wouldn't be psyched about this comment. I would want him to be saying that his numbers were a product of hard work etc and he knows he still needs to find consistency and is excited at working on developing further.

    My gut tells me he'll be somewhere in the middle. He won't be a stud 1st line type guy, nor will he be a bust. I'm thinking a decent 2nd-3rd line guy 50 pts or so, and a good chunk of those as PPP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfcollins View Post
    Kadri is the cover guy for the Hockey News this week. In the article, Kadri says why he didn't perform well in the AHL. He said he needs top quality line mates to be able to rack up points. He used Lupul as an example.

    I'm a Kadri owner, and have faith in him. But knowing that he believes he needs top line mates to make him better instead of vice versa makes me a little nervous for the future.
    Who said Kadri didn't perform well in the AHL?!? He was a PPG player...what did people want from him? More to the point; what did he expect from himself?

    His production in the AHL is completely in line with what should be expected of him in the NHL 60-70 points per season. More than that is gravy....less is dissapointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4horsemen View Post
    Who said Kadri didn't perform well in the AHL?!? He was a PPG player...what did people want from him? More to the point; what did he expect from himself?

    His production in the AHL is completely in line with what should be expected of him in the NHL 60-70 points per season. More than that is gravy....less is dissapointing.
    Lol ..... The post you quoted says "Kadri says" ...... So I assume Kadri said it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wendelclark17 View Post
    Lol ..... The post you quoted says "Kadri says" ...... So I assume Kadri said it.
    I know, I made mention of that in my post ;D My point is that people are still debating his offensive ability and this comment was used to support some imaginary poor performance in the AHL.

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    He is the real deal. A lot depends on whether he is the #1 center in TO, in which case a ppg is achievable or if he is #2, in which case I would say 65 - 70 pts

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    Would guys consider Kadri before Skinner?!?

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    I'd take Kadri over Skinner.
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    Does recent contract negotiations hurt Kadri in any way?

    Does he get a contract he wants then fails to impress as the pressure becomes relentless in Toronto?

    I am almost hoping he gets a smaller bridge contract so that he gets another year to prove himself before they pay him big dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leaftodd View Post
    I'd take Kadri over Skinner.
    Echo that.

    Points only - for sure.
    Other stats - last year is the only comparable - and makes it somewhat closer, although I would still lean towards Kadri. Goals, Assists, (consequently Points) and +/- (TOR >> CAR) are Kadris, whereas SOG would be Skinner.
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    Kadri significantly over Skinner

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    I would take Skinner.

    I have slowly been developing a dislike for Kadri. Seems like a bone-head....the kind of guy you roll your eyes at all the time cause of comments he makes.

    Besides that, he had one good half of a season...whose to say would have continued to produce over an 82 game season? His value couldn't be lower in most leagues before the season started in January....and now his value is higher than it ever has been. Seems like if I could get comparable player but one who is a more proven player, I would make the switch. There's bound to be at least one GM who will overpay for Kadri thinking he's the next demi-god of Toronto.
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    He's hitting sell-high territory, for sure.

    Great production in a shortened season, maybe some protected minutes (as in, Grabovski took a lot of tough matchups), second full year as a pro - a time when many good rookies struggle...there's enough there for me to think Kadri will drop off a bit.

    I'm not talking from 70point pace to 45 or 50, but enough of a drop that if you're drinking the koolaid and projecting him as a possible 80pt guy...well, you're gonna wish you hadn't.

    The reality is that there's enough issues floating around Kadri that - if he were on a team other than the Leafs - there would be more threads projecting a dropoff. Instead, we've got a bunch of threads saying he's a 70pt guy for sure.

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    Kadri is Real or a dream ?
    depends on who you're asking I guess...

    if you're talking to many Leafs fans, he's already penciled in as the 2nd coming of Darryl Sittler

    the rest of us are a little more cautiously optimistic...if I were to pick a comparable from my Habs I'd probably say Plekanec though probably more consistent, like 60-70 pts consistently? I think Kadri will have a big impact for the team as a whole but not as much on the scoreboard as many might be valuing him after last season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reuben View Post
    I'm not talking from 70point pace to 45 or 50, but enough of a drop that if you're drinking the koolaid and projecting him as a possible 80pt guy...well, you're gonna wish you hadn't.
    I have him on my team, and I feel like I'm the only one in my league that has any faith in him.

    That being said, I fully expect a dropoff this season. But I am confident that in a few years, he will be an 80-point guy. Sure there were lots of reasons why he did so well last year, but he also had a lot working against him: Not top linemates (except for a few games with Lupul), not top ice time (only 14 minutes a game on average), etc. Once everything balances out and he's had more games (he's only played 99 career games so far) and he gets used to the league, he should be an 80-point guy.

    Owners just need to have patience.
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