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    League in sig. my season's done. Need a keeper D-man. Is it worth giving up on OV and "gambling" on Karlsson?

    i was offered K for either Parise or OV straight up. i prefer parise so i was wondering what you guys think regarding the great 8 and his decline
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    Definitely worth it. You have very solid forward keepers (Benn, Perry and Parise) so getting one stud offensive D along with Price is a great core. Who knows what Ovechkin will do going forward but one and a shortened half season of sub par (by his standard) production is enough not to overvalue him expecting PPG+ going forward.

    I should add that I'm aware of the peripheral categories which increase Ovechkin's value (hits especially). But when it comes to keepers (or top players drafted), I'd rather look at more offense as you get the peripherals later on. If you prefer to keep Parise and are more concerned about Ovechkin offensively going forward, then I don't see an issue dealing him. For Karlsson, sounds good!
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    I'd deal Parise for Karlsson for sure. I'd keep Ovie, especially if PIM and/or hits are a plus scoring cat

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    i guess that brings up a good point - is parise or OV more valuable?
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    F: Ovechkin, Tavares, Backes, Toews, Brouwer, Turris, Boedker, Brown, Hudler
    D: Ekman-Larsson, J. Johnson, Faulk, Brodie, Edler, Goligoski
    G: Price, Elliott

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    With hits, shots, and PIM, I think Ovy is more valuable.
    He doesn't need to be 110 points to be worthwhile. And I still think he'll get back to top ten production in points at some point.
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    Personally, if he'd go Karlsson for Parise straight up...I'd take that immediately. I think the "UNKNOWN" of Ovie is worth more than Parise's reality in Minn (slightly). Move the lesser comodity and then you could still consider moving Ovie where it makes sense down the road too.
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    In your format, I'd also want Ovie over Parise, which means that I'd trade Parise for Karlsson. I think that's an outstanding deal for you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBoneweasel View Post
    i guess that brings up a good point - is parise or OV more valuable?
    Oh so it doesn't really matter who you prefer (Parise), rather who's less valuable you'd ship off? If so, then yeah Ovechkin is more valuable in a vacuum given the settings even if his offense doesn't improve all that much. It's not like Parise is lighting the world on fire, so even if Parise were to outpoint Ovechkin going forward, I wouldn't expect it to be by much. If somehow this is the new norm for Ovechkin and Parise got back to PPG then I might lean the other way, but at the moment it's uncertain. I still would consider Ovechkin for Karlsson if Parise straight up was no longer an option though, given your keeper situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieNation108 View Post
    I'd deal Parise for Karlsson for sure. I'd keep Ovie, especially if PIM and/or hits are a plus scoring cat
    this is what i was thinking too.
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    if you want another opinion, I'd trade Parise for Karlsson and keep Ovechkin as well
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    thanks, all!
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    D: Ekman-Larsson, J. Johnson, Faulk, Brodie, Edler, Goligoski
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    i am going to go with the parise for karlsson contingent here

    and would advise quick movement on this one as this is a huge steal for you imo

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    yeah, he backed off, is only accepting Ovie now...
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    F: Ovechkin, Tavares, Backes, Toews, Brouwer, Turris, Boedker, Brown, Hudler
    D: Ekman-Larsson, J. Johnson, Faulk, Brodie, Edler, Goligoski
    G: Price, Elliott

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBoneweasel View Post
    yeah, he backed off, is only accepting Ovie now...
    i think you still have to make this deal to be honest

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBoneweasel View Post
    yeah, he backed off, is only accepting Ovie now...
    Thought that might happen. I'd still make the deal given your situation.
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