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    I've been pumping this guy's tires ever since he was drafted but he hasn't got a lot of recognition until recently. Well it's time to start paying closer attention... Evander Kane is an absolute stud.

    First off, just a few notes/stats:

    T-2nd EV Goals with 8 (behind only Stamkos) and T-1st on Team
    T-5th in EV Points with 16 (behind Patty Kane, Hodgson, Crosby, Vanek, and Stamkos) and 1st on Team
    1st in EV SOG
    Spends 41.67% of his shifts alongside Burmistrov (7 points) and Antropov (8 points) and 20.17% of his shifts alongside Jokinen (6 points) and Antropov (8 points)
    18 points in 19 games, and has only gone without a point in 3 games this season
    ...and only has two points on the powerplay.
    His equivalency based on age throughout his career (WHL and NHL) has been unreal - I won't get into it as I believe HPG did an in-depth explanation at some point.

    Let's compare his linemates to those ahead of him in EV:

    Evander (16 EV Points) vs. Antropov (6 EV points) + Burmistrov (7 EV points)
    = +3 points vs. combined linemates
    Patty Kane (16 EV Points) vs. Sharp (9 EV points) + Bolland (6 EV points)
    = -1 points vs. combined linemates
    Hodgson (17 EV Points) vs. Vanek (18 EV points) + Pominville (11 EV points)
    = -12 points vs. combined linemates
    Vanek (18 EV Points) vs. Hodgson (17 EV points) + Pominville (11 EV points)
    = -10 points vs. combined linemates
    Crosby (18 EV Points) vs. Kunitz (14 EV points) + Dupuis (11 EV points)
    = -7 points vs. combined linemates
    Stamkos (20 EV Points) vs. Purcell (13 EV points) + Conacher (14 EV points)
    = -7 points vs. combined linemates

    Aside from Hodgson and Evander, all these players also have at least 8 PPP (P Kane - 8, Crosby - 12, Stamkos - 10, for an average of 10) and sit top 6 in league scoring. All these teams also have a PP in the top half of the league while Winnipeg sits at 22nd. Now this is a stretch, but if you put Evander on an equivalent PP (and thus an equivalent # of PPP) he would jump to 3rd in NHL scoring, behind only Crosby and Stamkos.

    Now, let's look at his year to year progression (82-game extrapolation):

    09-10 (18 yo): 17 goals, 15 assists, 32 points
    10-11 (19 yo): 21 goals, 27 assists, 48 points
    11-12 (20 yo): 33 goals, 30 assists, 63 points
    12-13 (21 yo): 39 goals, 39 assists, 78 points

    I'd like to take a brief moment to compare this to Jarome Iginla who has 11 consecutive 30+ goal seasons, is 35th all-time in goals scored, one of only 3 active 500+ goal scorers (Jagr, Selanne being the other two), two-time Rocket Richard Winner, and Art Ross winner. Yea, that's a pretty damn high bar.

    But...

    In his draft year, Iginla put up 33 goals, 38 assists, 71 points in 72 games to go along with 111 PIM. Kane put up 48 goals, 48 assists, 96 points in 61 games to go along with 89 PIM, only 10 goals shy of Stamkos' totals in the OHL in the same GP (57 goals, 57 assists, 114 points in 72 games pro-rated). Everyone else in the top 10 WHL goal scorers that year was at least a year older than Evander.

    Iginla didn't make the NHL until he was 19 and put up almost identical numbers to Evander's 19 year old season (pro-rated) - 21/27/48 vs 21/29/50.

    Iginla didn't have his first 30 goal season until he was 23; Evander's first was as a 20 year old.

    It's too early to make direct comparables as there's not enough data yet.... but what I'm saying is Evander Kane has shown a number of things:

    1) He's an elite EV player, despite terrible linemates - easily the worst set of linemates of the top 5 EV scorers, and that includes Dupuis/Kunitz.

    2) Based on a few seasons of stats, he's projecting to be on a level with one of the best goal scorers of all time in Jarome Iginla.

    3) He's top 25 in league scoring despite having (significantly) fewer powerplay points than every other player in the top 25.

    ...and to boot, he's one of the best multi-cat players around. Last year he posted 53 PIM, 173 hits, 31 blocks, 4 game winners, and 287 shots on goal. This year he's on pace to surpass all those numbers in an 82 game season.

    A lot of guys peg him as a 70+ point player, but everything he's done to date in his career has shown he has 90+ upside.
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    Just a quick blurb I dug up from HPG as well:

    Quick, make a list of players that put up more than 1.2 P/GP in the WHL in their 17-year-old season! It's a very short list.

    Brendl - 2.05 P/GP
    Sakic - 1.76 P/GP
    Falloon - 1.76 P/GP
    Marleau - 1.72 P/GP
    Nugent-Hopkins - 1.54 P/GP
    Josh Holden - 1.49 P/GP
    Kane - 1.48 P/GP
    Smyth - 1.46 P/GP
    Oleg Saprykin - 1.42 P/GP
    Langkow - 1.34 P/GP
    Tyler Wright - 1.33 P/GP
    Glennie - 1.31 P/GP
    Brayden Schenn - 1.29 P/GP
    Kadri - 1.29 P/GP
    Hartnell - 1.28 P/GP
    Brule - 1.24 P/GP
    Jamie Lundmark - 1.23 P/GP
    Chris Dingman - 1.22 P/GP
    Upshall - 1.20 P/GP

    I'll be the first to admit that list is a mixed bag -- lots of flops coming out of the WHL. How many of those players made the NHL at the age of 18?

    Marleau
    Kane

    That's it.

    2 years from now is Kane's 4th year. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him put up 80 points that year or the year after.

    As for the original question, Benn. Proven over prospect. Though I think this is an insanely close call because Kane will likely have better peripherals (SOG, PIM) than Benn.

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    I have not been on this site very long dyz, but I have kept a keen eye on your posts and as a Kane owner I would like to thank you.

    btw... your above post is A+ material... very insightful, full of info with a strong point to make... I can only hope to get to your level... in the mean time ill stick to my "who would you rather " posts ...lol

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    Just watch highlights of his 3 pts last night. Like the best players, he doesnt need anyone else to create for him. He's a lock for 40+ goals when he gets top PP and a decent centre.

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    Interesting read. I've been a fan of the guy for a couple of years now (his offseason pic was hilarious). Given that Angus just did his top 10 lw keepers, do you feel he should be rated higher? Also,would you trade a guy like Backstrom to acquire him?
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    I made a trade for E. Kane in a full keeper league a couple weeks back. I am still happy I made the move:

    J. Neal and Peverley for E. Kane and Silfverberg.
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    He has all the physical tools to be an elite player in the NHL. In my opinion the only question mark regarding Kane reaching elite levels is whether he will mature enough and learn to work hard and dedicate himself to the game as players like Crosby do. If he does that the sky is the limit.
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    Good read dyz. I had just posted minutes before you asking about Kane's value, so great timing! Guy in my pool is asking for Yakupov and Sam Gagner for him. Part of me feels that's actually a reasonable asking price, although his lack of PP production makes me hesitant short term. No doubt he is a stud though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWhale View Post
    Interesting read. I've been a fan of the guy for a couple of years now (his offseason pic was hilarious). Given that Angus just did his top 10 lw keepers, do you feel he should be rated higher? Also,would you trade a guy like Backstrom to acquire him?
    Depends on format. When I replied to Angus' list I listed Kane as 5th, one behind where he has him. That's in a points-focused league though, where I'd take a guy like D Sedin ahead of him.

    In a multi-cat keeper, he'd probably be my #3 behind Ovechkin and Parise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norrisdivision View Post
    Good read dyz. I had just posted minutes before you asking about Kane's value, so great timing! Guy in my pool is asking for Yakupov and Sam Gagner for him. Part of me feels that's actually a reasonable asking price, although his lack of PP production makes me hesitant short term. No doubt he is a stud though.
    In a league without hits, etc. that's too steep for him IMO. In a points-focused format I'm not sure I'd even move Yakupov.

    Deeper multi-cat league though, I'd take Kane over Yakupov 9 times out of 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dyzfunctioned View Post
    In a league without hits, etc. that's too steep for him IMO. In a points-focused format I'm not sure I'd even move Yakupov.

    Deeper multi-cat league though, I'd take Kane over Yakupov 9 times out of 10.

    In my fantrax league (in sig), inaugural draft I couldn't believe he was sitting there for me in the third round (33rd overall) - snagged him w/out hesitation.

    Kid is money, and will be monster in multi-cat leagues. If he's not already.
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    Very solid post on Evander Kane.
    Pretend it's your pick in the 5th round of a multi-cat pool... pick #58... would you take, say, Martin St.Louis or Evander Kane?

    I have a love-hate affair with Evander Kane.

    Something I love about Evander Kane:
    1. He reminds me of Alex Ovechkin (not so much Iginla).
    E.Kane has a wicked shot, incredible hustle, shoot-first mentality, aggressive play.
    These are great things when we are talking fantasy hockey.
    Players like Ovechkin/E.Kane can have a very dominating first 3-7 years of their NHL career.

    Something I dislike about Evander Kane.
    1. He reminds of Alex Ovechkin.
    It is a type of player. Hustle and a great shot are incredible assets... but they wear down with age. I'm not concerned with Kane because he's only 21. But there have been past guys like this. Also (and you'd have to play with this "type" of player to know), but shoot-first players are often seen as "greedy" and "self-centered" and it's no surprise that these types of players are often not seen as terrific lockerroom presences. Over time, this can affect teammates and then eventually the player themselves.

    Overall, nice thread... I wish I had a league where Evander Kane could be grabbed at a decent price tag.
    The cat's been out of the bag on this guy in all of my keeper leagues since early-last-season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norrisdivision View Post
    Good read dyz. I had just posted minutes before you asking about Kane's value, so great timing! Guy in my pool is asking for Yakupov and Sam Gagner for him. Part of me feels that's actually a reasonable asking price, although his lack of PP production makes me hesitant short term. No doubt he is a stud though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    Very solid post on Evander Kane.
    Pretend it's your pick in the 5th round of a multi-cat pool... pick #58... would you take, say, Martin St.Louis or Evander Kane?

    I have a love-hate affair with Evander Kane.

    Something I love about Evander Kane:
    1. He reminds me of Alex Ovechkin (not so much Iginla).
    E.Kane has a wicked shot, incredible hustle, shoot-first mentality, aggressive play.
    These are great things when we are talking fantasy hockey.
    Players like Ovechkin/E.Kane can have a very dominating first 3-7 years of their NHL career.

    Something I dislike about Evander Kane.
    1. He reminds of Alex Ovechkin.
    It is a type of player. Hustle and a great shot are incredible assets... but they wear down with age. I'm not concerned with Kane because he's only 21. But there have been past guys like this. Also (and you'd have to play with this "type" of player to know), but shoot-first players are often seen as "greedy" and "self-centered" and it's no surprise that these types of players are often not seen as terrific lockerroom presences. Over time, this can affect teammates and then eventually the player themselves.

    Overall, nice thread... I wish I had a league where Evander Kane could be grabbed at a decent price tag.
    The cat's been out of the bag on this guy in all of my keeper leagues since early-last-season.
    Reason I picked Iginla is because you can't really compare career trends of Ovi vs. Kane without looking batshit crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dyzfunctioned View Post
    Reason I picked Iginla is because you can't really compare career trends of Ovi vs. Kane without looking batshit crazy.
    Ya gotta use the term "poor-man's Ovechkin".
    (although, after you do that, Evander will come to your house, knock you out, and then flash money from your balcony)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    Ya gotta use the term "poor-man's Ovechkin".
    (although, after you do that, Evander will come to your house, knock you out, and then flash money from your balcony)
    All in one swift move nonetheless.

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