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    Default What's up with MaxPac?

    His TOI has been dangerously low for a player of his "caliber". What's going on? Does MT not like him? And please no tetanus shot jokes I'm serious.

    On a keeper level I'm not worried. But I just dealt Roy for him in my one year and I am wondering if maybe that was a bad move/if I should try to package patches now as he still has value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondon View Post
    His TOI has been dangerously low for a player of his "caliber". What's going on? Does MT not like him? And please no tetanus shot jokes I'm serious.

    On a keeper level I'm not worried. But I just dealt Roy for him in my one year and I am wondering if maybe that was a bad move/if I should try to package patches now as he still has value.
    There were a lot of factors last year that pointed to him having a down year this year.

    1) He was helped by a hot teammate. Cole had a career year. Less goals for Cole means less points for Max. Less points means less time on the ice.

    2) Every thing had to go right for him last year. Gomez sucking, Gionta getting injured, Pleks having an off year, Cole having a career year, the team being really bad in the standings, etc. This led to more TOI and more PP time. To expect all that to replicate again was a bit too much. Gionta is back and getting more ice time and PP time. The rookies are getting some ice time. etc etc. That cuts into Max's ice time.

    3) Max isn't the greatest defensively. With close leads, Max isn't on the ice as much as he would be when they are losing. Last year, they were losing a lot, so his ice time was up. This year, it's the opposite. For example, in the game against Tampa earlier this week, the Habs had a 3-0 lead. Max's last shift of the third period was done with six and a half minutes left. He didn't see the ice again until OT, when they were looking to win (he had only five shifts in the in third period against Tampa total).
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    I wouldn't be too concerned about Max Pac.
    Honestly I watch almost every habs game and the biggest factor has to be the subpar play of Desharnais. Pactches has had a lot of different line mates so far and also missed some time with injury. lately they've been trying him on a line with Galchenyuk which could be good once they develop some chemistry. Last year he was a top 10 SOG guy and has a deadly release. I'd say stand pat and once he starts firing the puck again you'll see his point totals come to where they should be. There's really no way they should be playing him less than 18min a game though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfcollins View Post
    There were a lot of factors last year that pointed to him having a down year this year.

    1) He was helped by a hot teammate. Cole had a career year. Less goals for Cole means less points for Max. Less points means less time on the ice.

    2) Every thing had to go right for him last year. Gomez sucking, Gionta getting injured, Pleks having an off year, Cole having a career year, the team being really bad in the standings, etc. This led to more TOI and more PP time. To expect all that to replicate again was a bit too much. Gionta is back and getting more ice time and PP time. The rookies are getting some ice time. etc etc. That cuts into Max's ice time.

    3) Max isn't the greatest defensively. With close leads, Max isn't on the ice as much as he would be when they are losing. Last year, they were losing a lot, so his ice time was up. This year, it's the opposite. For example, in the game against Tampa earlier this week, the Habs had a 3-0 lead. Max's last shift of the third period was done with six and a half minutes left. He didn't see the ice again until OT, when they were looking to win (he had only five shifts in the in third period against Tampa total).
    ^Agree.
    I speculated on these very things during the off-season.

    Just because a player hits 65pts doesn't make it his new "bar".
    People make this mistake all the time in fantasy hockey (see Boyes, Brad), expecting somebody to repeat their production because they did it once while they were young.

    MaxPac overperformed last year.
    He's a 50-60pt player.

    This is a link to a thread in forward discussion.
    My post there has a link to a few more threads I've written about MaxPac - one of a few guys that I think most of the Dobber Community got way, way, way too high on.
    (Consensus advising him over Datsyuk & Krejci... pssh. How's that working out for those teams?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondon View Post
    ...And please no tetanus shot jokes I'm serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    ^Agree.
    I speculated on these very things during the off-season.

    Just because a player hits 65pts doesn't make it his new "bar".
    People make this mistake all the time in fantasy hockey (see Boyes, Brad), expecting somebody to repeat their production because they did it once while they were young.

    MaxPac overperformed last year.
    He's a 50-60pt player.

    This is a link to a thread in forward discussion.
    My post there has a link to a few more threads I've written about MaxPac - one of a few guys that I think most of the Dobber Community got way, way, way too high on.
    (Consensus advising him over Datsyuk & Krejci... pssh. How's that working out for those teams?)
    Yeah, I did the same. I thought last year was the best he is ever going to do. Which is still good, mind you. But in a thread last year about his ceiling, I thought a lot of people were a little crazy for thinking he could be an 80-point guy. I didn't see it then, and still don't see it.

    Glad to see at least one person agrees with me on this. I thought I was the only one for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bondon View Post
    And please no tetanus shot jokes I'm serious.
    Technically I don't think you can get tetanus from a bite...

    That said, Patches was perhaps over achieving last year... the ice time would worry me more if it was just him, but Cole, Desharnais and Eller are all down a couple of minutes per game or so this year too.

    Maybe Therrien is just trying to spread out ice time in the compressed schedule?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfcollins View Post
    But in a thread last year about his ceiling, I thought a lot of people were a little crazy for thinking he could be an 80-point guy.
    I think 80pts is crazy too.
    When we talk "ceiling", I start reverting to junior play because the NHLers today that hit 80+pts either:
    i) Dominated in their junior leagues, or
    ii) Have amazing linemates to help their scoring

    Patches has neither of these things going for him.
    I think he should be pegged between 55-65pts.
    I called him a 60pt player for this year, and that may be high.

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    Bondon don't waste your time listening to the above posters you need real answers. Be patient and wait for the guru:




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    I'm very high on Pacioretty, as you can see from the post that Pengwin mentioned (reproduced here: http://forums.dobbersports.com/showt...04#post1087504).

    My feeling is he'll consistenly notch 65-75 points with 30+ goals, and I'm pretty comfortable in that assessment.

    And I wouldn't worry about his icetime, it's a temporary thing, Max Pacioretty will be a vital cog on this team for at least the remainder of this 6-year contract, I'd put him right up there with Price, Subban and now Galchenyuk in that regard (although there are lots of questions about Subban).

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    Good read, good insights.

    I am one of those who was sold on Pacioretty's talent from last season. Pretty much took him on higher draft rds on every pool I joined. I do see a change in his play this year compared to last years..mainly for the reasons stated by our fellow dobberites. But if he does settle out to be a 30/30 ppg guy (instead of my initial thoughts of 40/40 ppg) w/ 200+ SOGs..id still be content with that and still be a fan of his game. Im humbled and good job re-assessing/evaluating MaxPac's game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparrowtrini View Post
    Bondon don't waste your time listening to the above posters you need real answers. Be patient and wait for the guru:




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    Don't get me wrong, I didn't expect him to go up up and away or anything like that. I was hoping though that I could rely on him to be a consistent performer in my league though. He has been solid with his peripheral stats, can always rely on him to shoot the puck. But obviously having just acquired him I was more than concerned with the fact that his ice time is seemingly 'down' over the past few games.

    This could have been my own fault for not posting it in the one-year forum but I thought it would get more looks and more discussion here...and it is more of a general question. But I'm mainly concerned with the one-year perspective. I can't afford to sit on him like in a keeper league. Right now he still has value but if he has a few more games with 0 points and minus numbers then the window to package him in a deal is going to close fast

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