3way Vanek-Kessel-Yakupov
Conducting a 3-way deal. Does this deal look good for me? Is it reasonable for all parties. (League and team in sig.)
I give to team B: Yakupov (farm team - no roster spot required) + 2nd round prospect draft pick.
Team B gives to team C: Vanek
Team C give to me: Kessel
Team B Roster:
Valtteri Filppula
Thomas Vanek
Ryan O'Reilly
Wayne Simmonds
Brandon Dubinksy
Kyle Okposo
Rich Peverley
Patrik Berglund
David Jones
Artem Anisimov
Colin Wilson
Christian Ehrhoff
Zach Bogosian
Alex Steen
Dmitry Kulikov
Jamie McBain
Rene Bourque
Andrew Shaw
Victor Hedman
Marek Zidlicky
Slava Voynov
Steve Downie
Travis Zajac
Goalies
Josh Harding
Michal Neuvirth
James Reimer
Team C Roster:
Jason Spezza
Ilya Kovalchuk
Phil Kessel
John Tavares
Erik Karlsson
Pavel Datsyuk
Patrick Kane
Michael Ryder
Corey Perry
Ryan Getzlaf
Jiri Hudler
Alex Tanguay
Keith Yandle
Duncan Keith
Tim Connolly
Tomas Kaberle
Jay Bouwmeester
Alex Burmistrov
John-Michael Liles
Vladimir Sobotka
Simon Gagne
Joni Pitkanen
Goalies
Richard Bachman
Devan Dubnyk
Kari Lehtonen
Carey Price
Team B is likely the worst team in the league and team C is arguably the best team in the league. I have just transitioned from building for the future to building for now.
My bottom line in this deal is my Yakupov and 2nd round pick, for Kessel. Last year's 2nd round picks were the following players, just to give you an idea of the value of the pick:
Nick Bjugstad
Zemgus Girgenson
Morgan Reilly
Ty Rattie
Mark Stone
Cody Ceci
Devante Smith-Pelly
Joe Morrow
Brendan Shinnimin
Brandon Saad
Griffin Reinhart
Derick Pouliot
For Team C this upgrades his 3rd LW from Tanguay to Datsyuk, but downgrades his 3rd RW from Kane to Ryder. Team C probably wants more in this deal as nobody believes Vanek to be as dominant as he is now.
How much do you think Kessel outperforms Yakupov by this year? Would I be better off to just call up Yakupov and dodge this trade?
Yahoo H2H League: 12 Team, Full Keeper, 26 players plus farm team (3 round prospect draft, players<100gp)
G,A,P,+/,PIM,PPG,PPA,PPP,SHP,GWG,SOG,FW,W,Sv,Sv%,GA,GA%,SH O
Centers: Crosby, Duchene, Ribeiro, Weiss, Backlund, Shore
RW: Eberle, Voracek, Horton, Grabner, Atkinson
LW: Parise, Ovechkin, Moulson, Ennis, Tlusty, Boedker,
D: Shattenkirk, Carlson, Del Zotto, Barrie, Faulk
G: Pavelec, Varlamov, Lindback, Enroth
Farm: Lehner, Stalock, Salak, Yakupov, Rattie, Gudbranson, Josefson, Josi, Bjugstad
Really appreciate any thoughts on this deal. Another pro of moving yakupov for kessel is then I don't have two RWs from the same team. In a league with a deep bench it helps to have a variety of teams represented in your roster.
I know I put a lot of info in, but even a gut reaction would be appreciated. Thanks again.
Yahoo H2H League: 12 Team, Full Keeper, 26 players plus farm team (3 round prospect draft, players<100gp)
G,A,P,+/,PIM,PPG,PPA,PPP,SHP,GWG,SOG,FW,W,Sv,Sv%,GA,GA%,SH O
Centers: Crosby, Duchene, Ribeiro, Weiss, Backlund, Shore
RW: Eberle, Voracek, Horton, Grabner, Atkinson
LW: Parise, Ovechkin, Moulson, Ennis, Tlusty, Boedker,
D: Shattenkirk, Carlson, Del Zotto, Barrie, Faulk
G: Pavelec, Varlamov, Lindback, Enroth
Farm: Lehner, Stalock, Salak, Yakupov, Rattie, Gudbranson, Josefson, Josi, Bjugstad
I understand you're in "win now" mode, and that Kessel is a world class player. He will out-score Yak this year, and it will likely be by 10-15 points...maybe a bit less.
However, everything I've read about Yak is that he is special player...potential for 100 points. A lot of people on these boards preach "proven over potential", but there are exceptions to the rule. Yak is one of those. He hits, he competes hard, and he's on a team where he should be surrounded with other elite players for years to come.
As good as Kessel is, I would hold on to Yak if I were you.
Good luck.
10-team Keeper. Everyone keeps 12 + 1 G + 3 "young keepers" (players with less than 164 NHL games played), and 1G. Points for G (2), A (2), PIM (.2), Hit (.2), Blk (.2) SHP(1), W(4), SO(8) Must dress 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 2G
C - Crosby, Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Eichel, Johansen
LW - E. Kane, Drouin, Schenn, Miller, Foligno, Zucker
RW - Wheeler, Stone, Lindholm, Oshie, Tolvanen
D - Karlsson, Carlson, Dumba, Nurse, Ceci, Pionk, Larsson, Montour
G - Murray, Quick, Koskinen, Blackwood, Georgiev
Minors - Turcotte, Bouchard, Kaprizov
Have to agree with Achilles here - I think you'll end up regretting a move like that.
12 Team Dynasty, H2H (points)
Dress 2C, 4W, 1F, 4D, 1G (Daily)
G (3), A (2), STP (1), SHOG (1), +/- (0.5), SOG (0.2), Hits (0.2), Blk (0.2), FOW (0.1); W (5), SO (2), Sv (0.2), GA (-1)
C - Draisaitl (W), Hughes, Larkin, Trochek
W - T.Thompson (C), Pastrnak, Reinhart, Batherson, Nichushkin, Duchene (C), Zuccarello
D - Dahlin, Theodore, Bouchard, Faber, Werenski, Skjei
G - Jarry, Gustavsson, Montembault
Fm - Bordeleau, Barlow, Lucius, G.Perreault, Luneau, Perunovich, Nikishin
putting aside yaks value for a minute
how is it you get the guy who isnt producing and have to throw in a kicker to boot
Thanks for the input. I do think Kessel, will rebound/his bad luck will end. Everything I read on him says his effort and skill are evident, but the stat line simply isn't reflecting that.
How many years till you think Yakupov catches/eclipses Kessel in production? My team is still fairly young, not that Kessel is old, but I am looking to start producing sooner rather than later.
Yahoo H2H League: 12 Team, Full Keeper, 26 players plus farm team (3 round prospect draft, players<100gp)
G,A,P,+/,PIM,PPG,PPA,PPP,SHP,GWG,SOG,FW,W,Sv,Sv%,GA,GA%,SH O
Centers: Crosby, Duchene, Ribeiro, Weiss, Backlund, Shore
RW: Eberle, Voracek, Horton, Grabner, Atkinson
LW: Parise, Ovechkin, Moulson, Ennis, Tlusty, Boedker,
D: Shattenkirk, Carlson, Del Zotto, Barrie, Faulk
G: Pavelec, Varlamov, Lindback, Enroth
Farm: Lehner, Stalock, Salak, Yakupov, Rattie, Gudbranson, Josefson, Josi, Bjugstad
Data
So I'm sorry to keep asking for advice on this deal, but I guess I'm hoping for some stats in an argument.
Like so far this season Kessel has 46 shots and 1 goal. Yakupov has 18 shots and 5 goals.
That mean Nail is currently shooting at 28% which is really unsustainable. Kessel for his career has a shooting percent of 10.8% which I wouldn't say is high (I don't know the average shooting percentage of fantasy relevant players), but since Kessel shoots like a mad man, he scores regularly.
Does Kessel's low shooting percentage and high shots make him more or less desirable than Yakupov? Yakupov's shooting percentage has to drop, but he might consistently shoot at a much higher percentage than Kessel. Though is low shot totals are a negative.
Kessel is very low on PIMs, what do you expect from Yakupov? I am in a multi-cat league, so any argument to that effect would be appreciated.
Yahoo H2H League: 12 Team, Full Keeper, 26 players plus farm team (3 round prospect draft, players<100gp)
G,A,P,+/,PIM,PPG,PPA,PPP,SHP,GWG,SOG,FW,W,Sv,Sv%,GA,GA%,SH O
Centers: Crosby, Duchene, Ribeiro, Weiss, Backlund, Shore
RW: Eberle, Voracek, Horton, Grabner, Atkinson
LW: Parise, Ovechkin, Moulson, Ennis, Tlusty, Boedker,
D: Shattenkirk, Carlson, Del Zotto, Barrie, Faulk
G: Pavelec, Varlamov, Lindback, Enroth
Farm: Lehner, Stalock, Salak, Yakupov, Rattie, Gudbranson, Josefson, Josi, Bjugstad
if you need others to convince you to make the deal dont make the deal
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