A new stat for fantasy hockey??
I know a lot of leagues are trying to steer themselves away from PIMs as part of their league scoring cats and going more with Hits. Not sure if Fantrax or other fantasy hockey sites are already tracking this stat but I have noticed that Yahoo has been tracking Penalties drawn in their box scores. By trying to add realism to your league I believe this stat would be an effective stat category to replace PIM. Not sure if Yahoo plans to introduce this any time soon but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard since they are tracking it at a game by game basis.
However I'm not sure if penalties drawn are tracked perfectly or not on Yahoo but would like to hear what others think of this. If another site already tracks this I would be interested to hear how accurately it is tracked as well as I would like to add it as a category in one of my leagues.
My brain says this would be a good stat but my heart fears that i would one day end up cheering for my players to dive in an especially close head to head match-up.
Another factor is that this would increase the already high value of your puck-possession scoring forwards... it might change the dynamic of your league quite a bit... it's up to you whether that is a good or bad thing.
/S
~ I'm not a sociopath, it's just that my magnetic personality keeps throwing off my moral compass.~
Victoria DH
C(3): Athanasiou, Sissons, Zibanejad
LW(3): Lehkonen, Burakovsky, Hymen
RW(3): Bjorkstrand, Smith, Palmieri
F(3): Stepan (C), Bjork (LW), Poehling (C)
D(6): Carlson, Heiskanen, Bogosian, Edler, Hakanpaa, Fleury
G(1): Talbot, Sorokin, Varlamov
Bench: Parise (LW), Motte (C), Richardson (C), Hagg (D)
IR: Wood, Henrique, Johnson, Dvorak
Prospects: (F) Barre-Boulet, Khovanov, Beckman, Greig, N. Robertson, Fagemo, Tuomalaa, (D) Ceulemans, Hughes, Schneider, Zboril
Originally Posted by NikW71
If PIMs can count, I don't see why penalties drawn can't be a viable cat.
League:Fantrax 18 Team Dynasty, H2H (4C, 8W, 6D, 1G)
Cats:G, A, GWG, PPP, SHP, SOG, H+B, FOW, S, SV%, W, GAA
C: Backstrom,Giroux,MacKinnon,Seguin
W: D.Brown,Hartnell,Hossa,P.Kane
Kesler,Marleau,Perron,Zibanejad
D: Boyle,Del Zotto,Doughty,D.Hamilton,Hedman,Markov
G: Rinne
Bench: Braun,Comeau, Demers,DeHaan,Polak,Stempniak,Wingels --Fleury
I personally don't like it. Take a dive, draw a penalty, get rewarded. Ownership on Ribeiro and Burrows skyrockets :P
I don't like PIMs as a cat either though.
Yahoo Full keeper Dynasty League | 20 Teams, 4C 4LW 4RW 6D 2G 3BN |
Categories: (G A +- PPP PIM FOW SOG HITS BLK | W SV GAA SV% SHO)
C - Monahan, Kadri, Barzal, Dubois
LW - Marchand, Benn, Guentzel, Kreider
RW - Laine, DeBrincat, Fischer, Tuch
D - Karlsson, Muzzin, Niskanen, Skjei, Matheson, Forbort
G - Bishop, Lehner
BN - Jankowski, Perlini
Farm
C - Norris
RW - Kyrou
D - Brannstrom
G - Gillies
Fantrax allows you to tweak the scoring for penalties somewhat which allows you to improve on standard PIMs. So for example you can score the generic PIM or you can choose one or more of the following:
-minor penalties
-major penalties
-instigator penalties
-match penalties
-misconducts
so as you can see you could do something like score 5 min majors as a positive and make minor penalties count as a negative...not perfect because you're assuming all majors are for fighting but its an option
they also added Gordie Howe Hatricks to the list of available stats this year, kind of a cool option
Agree with you on that ... Would not like to cheer for a dive to win my match-up lol! Good point on the puck possession forwards although I initially thought it would help the pests (Ott, Komorov, Burrows, etc) more than anybody else. Thanks for all the feedback so far ...
Does Fantrax have the ability to track stick penalties vs roughing/fights. I just don't see the value in rewarding a tripping call but I guess the same can be said for a stupid roughing call as well.
not exactly, but you can use 'fights' as a scoring category so that would eliminate 5 min boarding calls and the like. Gimme a sec and when I get back to my desk I'll paste the full list of available cats in for ya
I think it would be an interesting stat to track and would give in a whirl in my league. Note, I say the same thing about Average Time On Ice but have never used either so can't say for sure I would like either stat.
Regarding the issue of divers, while I see the concern I don't think it would be a big issue in the grand scheme of things. For every diving drawn penalty I'd expect multiple legitimate drawn penalties. Second, every stat has its flaws:
2nd assists are often far weaker than primary assists but get awarded the same
misconduct penalties (often at the end of lopsided games to kick a player out) are usually meaningless but score 10 PIMs (double a fight!) I've had so many weeks decided by misconducts before both ways.
Countless other examples, the point is there is not stat that rewards 100% consistently "good" plays.
Off the top of my head I'd say it would increase value to puck possession forwards, fast forwards, and fighters (assuming its 5 (or 7 or 17) PIMs drawn). I also think it would be interesting to see at the end of the year who are the top players for penalties drawn.
To answer the actual question I'm not aware of any site provider that has it as a scoring option. espn boxscores usually say "2 minutes for hooking x player" but I'm not sure if the stat is officially kept anywhere. Given what I've read about faxtrax I would suspect it would be the first site to add the stat it it were to become available.
12 team H-2-H 1 year league, daily roster changes, 3 goalie start minimum/week
2xC, 2xRW, 2xLW, 4xD, 3xUtil, 2xG, 5 Bench
G, A, P, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG, SOG, Hits, W, SV%, GAA, SVs
C: C. Keller, C. Mittelstadt, B. Nelson, R. Strome,
LW: K. Connor, B. Tkachuk, J. Gaudreau, J. Marchessault, E. Rodrigues, A. Lafreniere
RW: K. Fiala, J. Bratt, T. Jeannot V. Arvidsson
D: R. Josi, J. Trouba, E. Gustafsson,
G: L. Thompson, F. Gustavsson, V. Vanecek
NO IR
here ya go, these are all categories alphabetically (skaters and goalies mixed):
1Star: 1st Star
2Star: 2nd Star
3Star: 3rd Star
AS: Saves - (5 * Goals Against)
A: Assists
BG: Power Play Goals + Short Handed Goals + Game Winning Goals
Blk: Blocks
Blk/G: Blocks Per Game
ESP: Even Strength Points
FO%: Faceoff Percentage
FOL: Faceoffs Lost
FOW: Faceoffs Won
Ft: Fights
GMiP: Game Misconduct Penalties
GWG: Game Winning Goals
GWG+ShG: Game Winning Goals + Shootout Goals
GP: Games Played
GS: Number of times a Goalie has started the game.
Gv: Giveaways
Gv/G: Giveaways Per Game
GPt: (2 x Wins) + Overtime Losses + Shootout Losses
GPt2: (3 x Wins) + (2 x Shutouts) + Overtime Losses + Shootout Losses
GPt3: (Wins x 2) + Overtime Losses + Shootout Losses + Shutouts
GPt4: (2 * Wins) + Overtime Losses + Shootout Losses + (2 x Shutouts)
GPt5: (2 * Wins) + Shutouts - Losses
G: Goals
GA: Goals Against
GAA: Goals Against * 60 / Minutes Played
GHHT: At least 1 goal, 1 assist and 1 fight in a given game.
HT: Three or more goals in a game
Hit: Hits
H+B: Hits + Blocks
Ht/G: Hits Per Game
InP: Instigator Penalties
L: Includes only regulation losses in the NHL regular season, but also overtime losses in the NHL playoffs.
MjP: 5-minute Major penalties
MtP: Game-ejection Match penalties
MnP: 2-minute Minor penalties
MiP: 10-minute Misconduct penalties
OG: Overtime Goals
OL: A loss in overtime. Does not include Shootout Losses.
OL+ShL: Overtime Losses + Shootout Losses
OW: A win in overtime. Does not include Shootout Wins.
PIM: Penalty Minutes
PSG: Penalty Shot Goals
+/-: Plus/Minus
Pt: Goals + Assists
2G+A: (2 * Goals) + Assists
P/G: Points Per Game
PPA: Power Play Assists
PPG: Power Play Goals
PGI: Power Play Goals scored by the team while the player was on the ice.
PPP: Power Play Points
SV%: Save Percentage
SV: Saves
Shft: Shifts
Shot%: Shooting %
ShMi: Shootout Attempts Missed
SGWG: Shootout Game Winning Goals
ShG%: Shootout Goal %
ShG: Shootout Goals
ShGA: Shootout Goals Against
ShL: Shootout Losses
ShSv%: Shootout Save %
ShSv: Shootout Saves
ShW: Shootout Wins
SHA: Short Handed Assists
SHG: Short Handed Goals
SGI: Short Handed Goals scored by the team while the player was on the ice.
SHP: Short Handed Points
SOG: Shots on Goal
SA: Shots on Goal Against
SHO: Shutouts
SHO: A skater is credited for his team's shutout if he dressed for that game, regardless of whether or not he had any ice-time.
SHO+HT: Shutouts by Goalies and Hat Tricks
STA: Power Play Assists + Short Handed Assists
STG: Power Play Goals + Short Handed Goals
STG2: Power Play Goals + (2 * Short Handed Goals)
STP: Power Play Points + Short Handed Points
STPGWG: Power Play Points + Short Handed Points + Game Winning Goals
TK/GV: Takeaway/Giveaway Ratio
Tk: Takeaways
Tk/G: Takeaways Per Game
Min: Time On Ice for Goalies
TOI: Time On Ice for Skaters
TOI-ES: Time On Ice - Even Strength
TOI-PP: Time On Ice - Power Play
TOI-SH: Time On Ice - Short Handed
TOI/G: Time On Ice Per Game
TOI-ES: Time On Ice Per Game - Even Strength
TOI-PP: Time On Ice Per Game - Power Play
TOI-SH: Time On Ice Per Game - Short Handed
W: Wins
Thanks for posting ... Never realized how in depth they go with their categories!
Its a valuable stat for NHL teams, not so sure about fantasy. I still like PIM as a stat.
That's insane flexibility. LOVE it!!
League:Fantrax 18 Team Dynasty, H2H (4C, 8W, 6D, 1G)
Cats:G, A, GWG, PPP, SHP, SOG, H+B, FOW, S, SV%, W, GAA
C: Backstrom,Giroux,MacKinnon,Seguin
W: D.Brown,Hartnell,Hossa,P.Kane
Kesler,Marleau,Perron,Zibanejad
D: Boyle,Del Zotto,Doughty,D.Hamilton,Hedman,Markov
G: Rinne
Bench: Braun,Comeau, Demers,DeHaan,Polak,Stempniak,Wingels --Fleury
the only place that I have seen penalties drawn tracked is at behind the net...
and they track it as penalties drawn per 60min
I would like to see a PIM stat where you gain or lose points depending on the penalty killing. If the other team scores when your player is in the box he gets slapped with -5 or something, but if they successfully kill it off he gets +1.
14 Team Dynasty League
5 C's, 8 W's, 5 D's, 2G's - 3 Prospects.
Scoring
F: Goals(3) Assists(2)
D: Goals(4) Assist(3)
G: W(3) Saves(0.15) Goal Against(-0.75) Shutout(2)
C: Datsyuk, Grabovski, Backstrom, Bergeron, Bozak
W: Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, P Kane, Hall, Sharp, Kessel, Nash, Silfverberg
D: Enstrom, Letang, Kronwall, Faulk, Chara
G: Miller, Price
IR:
Prospects: Galchenyuk, Nyquist, Shore
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