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    Wondering if Bobby Ryan is worth trading away Pacioretty + a defenceman (Hamonic? Erik Johnson?). The two play the same position and have similar points. Is Ryan's upside that much higher than Pacioretty's to make this deal, or should I stick with what I have?

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    As a fellow Ryan owner (different scoring than yours) and having watched each of the Ducks first 3 games....man.....Ryan looks awful so far. I know it's early, and you never want to sell low, but if you have a chance to trade for MaxPac, I think I'd try to do it. You should have more benefit with the additional stats like Hits and PIMs too.
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    I'm faced with the same delema. Guy offers from me Taresenko and Bernier fir Ryan and Bachman...essentially a 2 for 1...sell low on Ryan and buy high on Taresenko...i'm pondering but think ill hold on to Ryan...who knows what he'll do if traded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bumchilly25 View Post
    As a fellow Ryan owner (different scoring than yours) and having watched each of the Ducks first 3 games....man.....Ryan looks awful so far. I know it's early, and you never want to sell low, but if you have a chance to trade for MaxPac, I think I'd try to do it. You should have more benefit with the additional stats like Hits and PIMs too.
    Thanks for the response. Just to be clear, I am currently the Pacioretty owner, and am wondering if I should cash him (and a bit more) in for Ryan.
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    G: Rask,

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    I'd take Ryan over Pac. Ryan has proven much more. It's close, but I'd prefer Ryan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordosis View Post
    Thanks for the response. Just to be clear, I am currently the Pacioretty owner, and am wondering if I should cash him (and a bit more) in for Ryan.
    Oops.......my bad. Easy then...same response....a big NO from me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by havanablast21 View Post
    I'm faced with the same delema. Guy offers from me Taresenko and Bernier fir Ryan and Bachman...essentially a 2 for 1...sell low on Ryan and buy high on Taresenko...i'm pondering but think ill hold on to Ryan...who knows what he'll do if traded.
    That's too funny. I offered Ryan to an owner in my league for Tarasenko +

    Offer was turned down. That's actually a sell low, buy high I'd consider.
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    Ryan is better than Pac, I think that'll be pretty much unianimous.

    But man, BR is playing bad.....If you need it this year - with it being a short season, I'd say Max Pac.

    Interesting to wonder if Bobby Ryan ever does get traded. What ever happened to those rumours?
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    Long term I'd rather have Ryan.

    Short term basis if you need the help now Pacioretty is in a better situation. Concur though about Ryan looking like horse bleep so far.

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    MaxPac for me straight up.

    In all leagues I'm in, MaxPac is better than Ryan.

    I think Selanne will play till 55, and Ryan will always be on 2nd line
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    I go with Max Pac here too. Bobby Ryan has looked awful and has not been producing. That being said, he is a perennial 30 goal scorer and those are hard to come by. But without getting top PP time in Anaheim, Max Pac looks to be in the better situation. I am struggling to wonder why it is I keep Ryan around.
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    Max Pac out 4-6 weeks with an appendectomy. So, maybe Ryan will be the safer bet for this year too.
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    Not 4-6 weeks. The original call is for 3-4 weeks. I'd bet less.

    At least 2 weeks, though for sure. Ryan had an assist last night and was one of the best Ducks on the ice. What a difference 24 hrs can make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bumchilly25 View Post
    Not 4-6 weeks. The original call is for 3-4 weeks. I'd bet less.

    At least 2 weeks, though for sure. Ryan had an assist last night and was one of the best Ducks on the ice. What a difference 24 hrs can make.
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    The kid did come back from a broken neck. Wouldn't surprise me if he played tomorrow.

    Seriously though....I bet he's back before 2 weeks is up if there are no complications.
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