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    It might be premature, but now that I have Yakupov as a potential keeper option, would it be foolish to think of trading Ovechkin? After coming in 2nd/3rd the past two seasons I'm all in this year. Is Yakupov a keeper option or am I a few years too early?

    Or does he become a better option then Seguin who I really like.

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    what kind of return could you get for ovechkin

    even if yak doesnt make it as a keeper benn very well could
     
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    I really want to make run this year after coming up short the last two. I'm looking to make a splash that puts me over the top. Not sure either of these will do it.

    I thought of maybe a OV/Bieksa for P. Kane/Chara.
    or
    OV/Niemi for Toews/Rask.

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    both of those deals look a bit out of the range of what you are offering
     
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    Yea, that's what I was afraid of. I could swap Phanuef for Bieksa on that deal.

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    Goalies - Wins, Saves, S%, GAA (Min. 4 starts)
    Championships 2007, 2009, 2012, 2016, 2017,
    2019*, 2023

    C-McDavid, Trocheck, Thomas
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    R-Svechnikov(L/R) Konecny(L/R) P. Kane, Zucc
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    thats still not going to get it done

    you are essentially asking the other guy to upgrade both of your players
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    thats still not going to get it done

    you are essentially asking the other guy to upgrade both of your players
    Sad how low OV's stock has dropped.

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    2019*, 2023

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    Quote Originally Posted by islefan31 View Post
    Sad how low OV's stock has dropped.
    of course if he was ovi 3 years ago would you have even started this thread
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    of course if he was ovi 3 years ago would you have even started this thread
    NO..... lol

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    the problem also is its a matter of timing

    prior to the season you might get kane for ovechkin

    however when ovechkin has 1 point in 3 games and kane has 7 points in 4 games to start this season that kinda goes out the window

    kane may not have ovechkins ceiling but at this point it doesnt look like he has his floor either
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    the problem also is its a matter of timing

    prior to the season you might get kane for ovechkin

    however when ovechkin has 1 point in 3 games and kane has 7 points in 4 games to start this season that kinda goes out the window

    kane may not have ovechkins ceiling but at this point it doesnt look like he has his floor either
    Funny thing is a few years ago I was offered Kane/Parise for him and turned it down. Of course that was his last good season.

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    at the time turning it down was what everyone would have told you to do

    there are still some who would have told you to turn it down going into this season

    i tried to get ovechkin off my uncle multiple times over the years in my family league

    this past summer i was going to try again and i absolutely could have gotten him if i wanted him at the last second i backed out i just didnt have the confidence to do it

    and thats in a small league with only 36 forward keepers total so one screwed up keeper isnt going to hurt you in the long run but i still couldnt do it at the end of the day
     
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    Wait for Ovie to have a good stretch of games putting up multi pts. Then try and trade him. It's all about timing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmkidd View Post
    Wait for Ovie to have a good stretch of games putting up multi pts. Then try and trade him. It's all about timing.
    Agreed 100% you're better off waiting until Ovi goes on a run and gives people that glimmer of hope that's he's turning around to 60 goal/110pt Ovi.
    Of course, we all know that likely won't happen at this point, but it's all about playing off that emotion and getting Max value.
    2 years ago i traded Ovi and shattenkirk for karlsson, Kane and parise. Funny how things change.

    Wait for it, and ride it out. But don't deal him now. Stocks never been lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    at the time turning it down was what everyone would have told you to do

    there are still some who would have told you to turn it down going into this season

    i tried to get ovechkin off my uncle multiple times over the years in my family league

    this past summer i was going to try again and i absolutely could have gotten him if i wanted him at the last second i backed out i just didnt have the confidence to do it

    and thats in a small league with only 36 forward keepers total so one screwed up keeper isnt going to hurt you in the long run but i still couldnt do it at the end of the day
    Part of the problem is owners still want the sky for him, myself included. We all feel the second we trade him he becomes that 90+ point guy again.
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    Skaters - G, A, +/-, PPP,
    PIM, HITS, BS, GWG, SOG
    Goalies - Wins, Saves, S%, GAA (Min. 4 starts)
    Championships 2007, 2009, 2012, 2016, 2017,
    2019*, 2023

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    R-Svechnikov(L/R) Konecny(L/R) P. Kane, Zucc
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