Reply With QuoteAt first glance I say no because Team A owns that player and can either trade him or not.
Collusion?
Player A has priority 1 on the waiver wire
Player B wants a free agent who was just dropped and is on waivers.
Player A picks uses his 1st priority claim to pick said free agent up and trades to player B for a pick.
Is this collusion?
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Last edited by Old_Smokie; February 24, 2013 at 1:10 PM.
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C: Eichel Seguin
LW: Ovechkin, Lee
RW: Marner, Palmieri Buchnevich, Simmonds
D: Karlsson Byfuglien, Petry, Muzzin
G: Rask, Murray Jarry
Farm (Max 200 GP):
C. White, Vrana, Hischier, Sikura, DeSmith
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Goalies
W(6) L(-1) SHO(5) SV(0.1) GA(-0.2) GAA(Range of -1 to 8) SV%(Range of -1 to 8)
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At first glance I say no because Team A owns that player and can either trade him or not.
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No, that's legit. Neither one of them is willingly hurting their team to help out another guy, they are each giving up and getting something that they want.
As long as the player traded justifies the pick in return, I cant see how it's collusion. Smart positional play by Team B maybe, but I wouldnt call that collusion.
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25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, Brink
G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
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Team A loses its #1 waiver priority in exchange for that pick.
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No... it's called Player A being a smart GM, or Players A & B doing a trade.Originally Posted by Old_Smokie
A little quick to jump the gun there old smokie haha
No collusion. If player A uses his first waiver wire pick to grab a player who he then flips for a better player it's pretty genuis and legit. Player A loses his waiver priority but is able to upgrade his team in doing so, player B gets the trade he wants as well. Both players presumably end up with a team they legitimately prefer. I can see the guy with #2 waiver priority being upset about it if he also wanted the guy off waivers but that doesn't make the shrewd dealing by player b collusion.
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2xC, 2xRW, 2xLW, 4xD, 3xUtil, 2xG, 5 Bench
G, A, P, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG, SOG, Hits, W, SV%, GAA, SVs
C: C. Keller, C. Mittelstadt, B. Nelson, R. Strome,
LW: K. Connor, B. Tkachuk, J. Gaudreau, J. Marchessault, E. Rodrigues, A. Lafreniere
RW: K. Fiala, J. Bratt, T. Jeannot V. Arvidsson
D: R. Josi, J. Trouba, E. Gustafsson,
G: L. Thompson, F. Gustavsson, V. Vanecek
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I wouldnt consider this collusion, especially if the pick given in return is justified when comparing it to a player who is on the waiver wire. If anything, i consider it a pretty smart play by Team B. He keeps his waiver position, gets a player he wants and only gives up a pick for it.
10 Team, Points Only, Cash League
25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, Brink
G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
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I have to assume that player B contacted player A to use his #1 priority to guarantee the player is picked up in exchange for the pick ahead of time. Sneaky, clever, but not collusion unless the pick-player transaction is clearly lopsided.
On the other hand if player A simply used his #1 priority knowing that particular player had value and could net him value in a trade that's simply smart managing, maximizing the value of your WW priority.
Seems like a pretty straightforward series of transactions.
The funny thing is.... this hasn't even happened in my league I was trying to build up a good knowledge base for if this ever happens and GMs complain. Thank you very much for your responses!
Didn't jump the gun at all.
73M Cap, Partial Keeper: 4F(ANY) 2D, 2G, Year : H2H Daily 2C/2LW/2RW/1F/4D/2G, 16 Teams
Pro
C: Eichel Seguin
LW: Ovechkin, Lee
RW: Marner, Palmieri Buchnevich, Simmonds
D: Karlsson Byfuglien, Petry, Muzzin
G: Rask, Murray Jarry
Farm (Max 200 GP):
C. White, Vrana, Hischier, Sikura, DeSmith
Stat Categories
Skaters
FOW(.1) G(4) A(3) PPG(1.5) PPA(1) SHG(3) SHA(2) GWG(1) SOG(.2) +-(1) PIMS(.1) BLK(.2) HIT(.2)
Goalies
W(6) L(-1) SHO(5) SV(0.1) GA(-0.2) GAA(Range of -1 to 8) SV%(Range of -1 to 8)
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I do that too. Its not collusion its being a great GM. You can pick a player off waivers and trade him to a GM who is paying much attention. You end up with a free draft pick.
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Starters: 12 Forwards, 6 Defense, 2 Goalies
F - Marchand, Marner, Marchessault, Stamkos, Tuch, Comtois, Farabee, Bennett, McCann, W. Nylander, Nugent-Hopkins, Kapanen
D - Barrie, Oleksiak, Suter, Gudbranson, Savard, Lyubushkin, Ferraro
G - Saros, Rittich
Bench - Mittelstadt, Reimer, Roslovic, Keller, Reaves, Toews
Prospects - Byfield, Mercer, Veleno, Chmelevski, Tippett, Comrie, Tomasino, Valimaki, Gustavsson, Wolf
I would say it's more of Player A taking advantage of knowing that Player B wants said player
It depends on the player and the pick exchanged. Nothing wrong with the process.
This has happened multiple times in one league I am in. Completely legit imo, and has never been complained about in our league.
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LW - Evander Kane, Jaden Schwartz, Brayden Schenn, Chris Kreider, Jonathon Drouin, Sven Baertchi
RW - Kyle Okposo, Valeri Nichushkin, Gustav Nyquist, Chris Stewart
D - Oliver Ekman Larsson, Dougie Hamilton, Viktor Hedman, Kevin Shattenkirk, Erik Johnson
G - Jonathon Bernier, Sergei Bobrovsky, Darcy Kuemper, Robin Lehner
we usually cover this in our rules by having some language to the effect of:
trades may include any and all fantasy assets with the exception of:
-exception1
-exception2
etc.
the exceptions of course are completely optional but you often need to place practical restrictions on trades (for example, we only allow trading draft picks 3 years into the future because it gets too crazy to track and you don't want a scenario where a GM trades away the future of a team and then quits because you'll never be able to get a replacement GM). But basically the approach we usually take is that as long as the parties involved in the trade are swapping things that have fantasy value then its A-OK
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