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    chesnokov is reporting that datsyuks name has been added to the allstar game roster and the league is saying he will play for sure

    i had seen rumors the other day suggesting the other day that datsyuk hadnt come home either and then i saw other things saying he was already on the way etc

    if he is playing in the game i think its kinda cowardly that he kinda hid it this whole time leaving kovalchuk out on the firing line all by himself
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    Ken Holland has given Datsyuk a permission to play in the KHL All-Stars game. Datsyuk hasn't hidden anything.
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    then its a failure of the reporters because nothing has been said about this on the twitter machine unlike kovalchuk

    i wounder if datsyuk was given permission why was his name not on the team list until today
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    http://www.freep.com/article/2013010...el-datsyuk-khl

    Datsyuk was named to the roster already in December. He was probably took out after the lockout ended but Red Wings then gave him the permission to play in the game and he was added back to the roster.
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    The Kovalchuk thing has been overblown anyways. These guys are playing the All Star game and the coming back to get on with their real career. Meda making a stink where there is none as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carcillo View Post
    http://www.freep.com/article/2013010...el-datsyuk-khl

    Datsyuk was named to the roster already in December. He was probably took out after the lockout ended but Red Wings then gave him the permission to play in the game and he was added back to the roster.
    i understand that however his name wasnt added until today while kovalchuks was added a couple of days ago

    it just seems curious that one guy is put out there to get shit all over and vilified and the other quitely gets added and not a thing is said about it

    you get a guy like kovalchuk who character has been called into question in the past and a guy like datsyuk who basically has an impeachable character and then they assassinate the one guy and fail to bring up the fact the other is basically doing the same thing

    i just think its horrible on the part of the so called hockey media
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    i understand that however his name wasnt added until today while kovalchuks was added a couple of days ago

    it just seems curious that one guy is put out there to get shit all over and vilified and the other quitely gets added and not a thing is said about it

    you get a guy like kovalchuk who character has been called into question in the past and a guy like datsyuk who basically has an impeachable character and then they assassinate the one guy and fail to bring up the fact the other is basically doing the same thing

    i just think its horrible on the part of the so called hockey media
    Kovy hasn't asked anyone's permission while Datsyuk has gotten the permission from his NHL-team. Big difference and well explains why Ilya has been added there before Datsyuk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    chesnokov is reporting that datsyuks name has been added to the allstar game roster and the league is saying he will play for sure

    i had seen rumors the other day suggesting the other day that datsyuk hadnt come home either and then i saw other things saying he was already on the way etc

    if he is playing in the game i think its kinda cowardly that he kinda hid it this whole time leaving kovalchuk out on the firing line all by himself
    Dats didn't it leave it hanging whether he was coming back or not. He wasn't elusive in his answers. There was never a question whether he was coming back. Apples and Oranges. Kovy brought this on himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carcillo View Post
    Kovy hasn't asked anyone's permission while Datsyuk has gotten the permission from his NHL-team. Big difference and well explains why Ilya has been added there before Datsyuk.
    why does kovy have to ask anyones permission the lockout technically hasnt ended as the cba hasnt been ratified

    also from what i read in that article datsyuk has remained overseas the entire time

    completely ignored while kovalchuk has been talked about adnaseum
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    why does kovy have to ask anyones permission the lockout technically hasnt ended as the cba hasnt been ratified
    Kovy can do whatever he wants but it's still completely different situation to Datsyuk.

    The All-Star game will be played on Saturday while training camps open on Sunday (pending PA ratifying the CBA). If Ilya can't get on New Jersey in time and haven't notified anyone within the Devils organisation, he's techically in breach of his contract. Meanwhile Datsyuk has the permission from his team so there's no issues there.

    Edit. Actually the All-Stars game is played on Sunday so Kovy definitely won't get to camp in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovi42 View Post
    Dats didn't it leave it hanging whether he was coming back or not. He wasn't elusive in his answers. There was never a question whether he was coming back. Apples and Oranges. Kovy brought this on himself.
    he did what all foreign players do while at home he was elusive in order to dangle a little hope in front of the local fans no matter that it will never happen

    players do that crap all the time

    the big deal about this wasnt made over his answers they were reported then promptly forgotten

    this has been made a bid deal because he has remained over there and hasnt come back like ovechkin and others

    but he isnt the only one who remained over there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carcillo View Post
    Kovy can do whatever he wants but it's still completely different situation to Datsyuk.

    The All-Star game will be played on Saturday while training camps open on Sunday (pending PA ratifying the CBA). If Ilya can't get on New Jersey in time and haven't notified anyone within the Devils organisation, he's techically in breach of his contract. Meanwhile Datsyuk has the permission from his team so there's no issues there.

    Edit. Actually the All-Stars game is played on Sunday so Kovy definitely won't get to camp in time.
    teams have to allow reasonable time from ratification for players to report

    these people arent slaves they arent required to stand around and wait outside the arena for the lockout to finish
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    teams have to allow reasonable time from ratification for players to report

    these people arent slaves they arent required to stand around and wait outside the arena for the lockout to finish
    Ilya has had reasonable amount of time to get on the camp in time. The lockout has ended. Ratification is just the final formal process but for all purposes the lockout has ended.

    Even still, the PA will ratify the CBA before this Sunday's KHL All-Stars game so Kovy again techically couldn't play it without the permission from his employer - New Jersey Devils.

    So again you can't compare Ilya's and Pavel's situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carcillo View Post
    Ilya has had reasonable amount of time to get on the camp in time. The lockout has ended. Ratification is just the final formal process but for all purposes the lockout has ended.

    Even still, the PA will ratify the CBA before this Sunday's KHL All-Stars game so Kovy again techically couldn't play it without the permission from his employee - New Jersey Devils.

    So again you can't compare Ilya's and Pavel's situations.
    no the lockout has not ended it ends with ratification

    if it was ended teams would be able to make trades and sign contracts and coaches would be able to be there with the players

    none of that is the case because the lockout is not over
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    no the lockout has not ended it ends with ratification

    if it was ended teams would be able to make trades and sign contracts and coaches would be able to be there with the players

    none of that is the case because the lockout is not over
    Fine. But the lockout will still have ended before this Sunday's All-Stars Game in KHL. Thus Kovy will have legal obligation to NHL and New Jersey Devils and his deal in the KHL will have expired as it was done only for the duration of the lockout.
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