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    Quote Originally Posted by Instant Karma View Post
    Hmm. Freudian slip?
    I'll never tell!

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    #2 and #4 are the same.

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    I think Burke might be just past his time as an NHL GM. His refusal to do front loaded contracts and finding loop holes in a CBA may be admirable, but when the rest of the league is doing the exact opposite of Burke, I believe it puts him behind the rest of the league. I believe the Leafs feel they need someone that will work on exploiting a CBA to benefit them because that is what the other GM are doing, rather than totally supporting the NHL stance
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    Goalies. 2 points win, 1 for O/T or Shoot out loss, 3 for SO, 2 for assist, 10 for goal. Minus 1 for a loss
    Draft 8 more through draft. Need to have 11 on main team, 9 on reserve. Once roster set, can add 1 injured reserve spot.

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    C Malkin, E. Staal, Nelson
    RW Okposo, Wheeler, Donskoi
    D Demers, Pulock, Savard, Vlasic
    G Holtby

    prospects: Frost, Sprong, Andersson, Bear, Niku, Katchouk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomm Bastic View Post
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    Because he refused to put the lid down on the toilet seat in the uni-sex restrooms.
    u n i sex ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgrieves View Post
    Very funny.

    They kept him on board so he will be less likely to run to the media and badmouth the owners immediately.
    He is probably given this roll because of contractual stipulations. But I'm sure he essentially is not involved with the management team in any meaningful way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour View Post
    I think the fact that (in the new CBA) teams are now being punished for those front loaded deals, and also being curbed from doing them anymore, suggests that Burke's philosophy might have been proven correct. Or at least justifiable.
    Burke was pushing hard behind the scenes to get the current CBA like he wants it. Really he should have went back to work for the league in the first place instead being the Leaf's GM

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    Why Brian Burke had to go, and how his Toronto Maple Leafs legacy can be salvaged

    By Greg Wyshynski | Puck Daddy

    Brian Burke was an outsized personality. A showman. A guy who could open his mouth and fill a thousand notebooks with his candor. He seemed like the perfect star for an entertainment product owned by two massive media companies. But he wasn’t.
    In their first major move as owners of the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Rogers and Bell consortium fired Burke after four seasons as general manager. The timing will be criticized, as it happens days before a brief training camp opens and just over a week before the NHL season.
    But to not do it now would be to delay the inevitable: Clearly, Brian Burke was not the guy they felt represented what they wanted out of the Leafs, and not the guy they trusted to bring this sorry franchise back into contention.
    The Leafs said it wasn’t the product of one incident. “Once you get to a decision like this, it’s only fair to act on it.”
    The decision feels both personal and professional.
    Burke had become a target of innuendo for the last year, including talk about his marital status that the Toronto Sun felt the need to address. The Toronto media echo chamber bellowed with gossip about his behavior away from the rink. Whether that was character assassination or idle chatter, it was becoming toxic.
    As was, one imagines, the relationship between Burke and his new corporate masters. Greg Brady of Sportsnet 590 makes the excellent point that Burke went from carte blanche under the previous owners to facing owners that weren’t in awe of his reputation or ego. Perhaps they saw him as a rumpled relic with a big mouth that didn’t fit in with the polished, controlled corporate culture they envisioned for the team. Maybe they saw him as uncontrollable.
    Whether it was a Roberto Luongo deal that was a “hill to die on” or other philosophical differences, the buck no longer stopped with Burke – and certainty not when his contract was nearing the end of its term.
    Burke’s moves as general manager can be judged in the short term and, more favorably, in the long term.
    The bottom line is that Toronto is the only NHL franchise not to make the playoffs since the last lockout, and Burke had the helm for four seasons. He succeeded in clearing out some dead wood from the previous regime; he stockpiled the Marlies with prospects, some overhyped and some legitimate tentpoles for the future; as new GM Dave Nonis said about the foundation he and Burke’s remaining staff were given: “Years down the road, we’ll see the mark that he’s made.”
    He made two trades that will cement his legacy.
    The Dion Phaneuf Trade will go down as a steal because the players the Leafs sent to the Calgary Flames aren’t Calgary Flames anymore (save for Stajan) and because Toronto acquired an all-star for what amounted to expendable assets. Yet Phaneuf’s inconsistent play was glaring, and his teams never made the postseason.
    The Phil Kessel Trade will be etched on Burke’s tombstone. Sorry, but claiming hindsight shouldn’t apply in evaluating a trade is an excuse. He dealt two number one picks for a B-level star, and those number one picks for the Boston Bruins are Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton. This isn’t to say Kessel isn’t a very good player. But he’ll never be good enough for that freight.
    Both of these trades were made on the promise of Burke building a contender. He overpromised. He came in preaching truculence, and his teams lacked it. He came in preaching standards of excellence, and then kept his friend Ron Wilson in a job he should have been out of years earlier than he was.
    The trades were bold moves to counterbalance a more meticulous construction. But it was too meticulous. The rules Burke established as to when and why to trade his assets were convoluted, as were his moral stands against certain contracts and free agent statues.
    Which is to say that Burke put himself before the team as general manager. Which is one reason he’s no longer general manager.
    Brian Burke is a good man. A man who’s honest to a fault. A man whose work for social change has been beyond admirable. A man who soldiered on as the general manager in a pressure-filled market despite losing a child to tragedy. Can any of us fathom that?
    Dave Nonis looked as grim as imaginable during the Wednesday presser. Like he lost a mentor, a friend, a father. It’s on him and Randy Carlyle and the rest of Burke’s cabinet to realize the potential Burke claimed the team had. It’s on them to give Brian Burke a legacy beyond four disappointing seasons, countless soundbytes and a job that feels incomplete.
    It’s on them to prove that Brian Burke built a winning team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour View Post
    I think the fact that (in the new CBA) teams are now being punished for those front loaded deals, and also being curbed from doing them anymore, suggests that Burke's philosophy might have been proven correct. Or at least justifiable.
    True, but who does he work for, the league or the Leafs. A comment made here is if Burke is so against what other teams do, then go work for the League. Whether it is wrong or not, Burke's refusal to look at ways to benefit his club with free agent contracts and trying to find ways to fit it into a CBA and salary caps only hurts the club when there are many other teams doing just that. Is front loaded contracts wrong? Yes and No. Yes because it is rather unethical but No because at the time it was not stated you could not do it. Right now I bet you any good GM is looking at this new CBA and trying to find something in it that they can manipulate it to their advantage.
    Points only, 26 team keeper league. keep 8 + 4 prospects. 2 LW,2 RW, 2C, 4 D and G. 1 point goal,1 point assist
    Goalies. 2 points win, 1 for O/T or Shoot out loss, 3 for SO, 2 for assist, 10 for goal. Minus 1 for a loss
    Draft 8 more through draft. Need to have 11 on main team, 9 on reserve. Once roster set, can add 1 injured reserve spot.

    Roster:
    LW JVR, Steen, Hagelin
    C Malkin, E. Staal, Nelson
    RW Okposo, Wheeler, Donskoi
    D Demers, Pulock, Savard, Vlasic
    G Holtby

    prospects: Frost, Sprong, Andersson, Bear, Niku, Katchouk

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    Quote Originally Posted by kluu View Post
    u n i sex ?
    what part of unisex did you not understand? see if it were the men's room it wouldn't be funny cuz well, we don't care. if it were the women's room...well, he'd be arrested.

    do i really have to explain these jokes...??? c'mon man, keep up with me.
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