Keep Ryan or Shattenkirk?

[Southpaw20]

Hey guys for team/league in sig who would you rather keep? It gets tricky as Time on Ice count only for Dmen so they receive a bump in value compared to most leagues. So far my keepers are:
Ovechkin
Stamkos
P. Kane
D. Clarkson (High demand in our league due to the cats - using as trade bait)
RNH

Weber
Phaneuf

Rask

Just deciding on my final spot and have narrowed it down to the previously mentioned two. I have a fairly high pick in the draft so keeping some hope that I can get whoever I drop back but want to be safe.

Thanks all

[niconasr]

I voted Ryan. He's a pretty good asset with PIMs (50-60) and Hits (over 100) plus all the offensive stats.

In my mind, TOI is a very deep category as a lot of D-men play over 20-21 minutes a game. Plus, since you said you had a very high pick in the draft, I believe Shattenkirk should still be there (though obviously it depends on who else is available) since he's not a very sexy name.

[Reuben]

I voted Ryan. He's a pretty good asset with PIMs (50-60) and Hits (over 100) plus all the offensive stats.

In my mind, TOI is a very deep category as a lot of D-men play over 20-21 minutes a game. Plus, since you said you had a very high pick in the draft, I believe Shattenkirk should still be there (though obviously it depends on who else is available) since he's not a very sexy name.

I'd agree with this, although Shattenkirk might be a sexier name than niconasr thinks. But if you have a high pick, he definitely should be available. And if he's not, Enstrom isn't a bad option.

Plus, and I know this is subjective, I still think there's plenty left for Ryan to prove (ie-finally getting top PP time when Selanne retires, maybe a trade to a team that uses him more, maybe becoming the MAN in anaheim if/when Getzlaf and Perry move along).

Shattenkirk, to me, won't put up much better than what he did last year. And that's not a slight on him. Maybe his points and plus/minus go up a little bit. But I just don't see a bigtime jump for him

[Pengwin7]

13 teams x 12F = 156F in play.
13 teams x 6D = 78D in play.

Shattenkirk finished 47th among D in TOI. (below the average rostered D)
Shattenkirk finished 112th among D in Hits. (outside of the average rostered D)

When a player is sub-par (or out-of-range) on 2/6 cats, you have to question their value in the league a bit.

I would bet Brent Seabrook & Dan Girardi are more valuable in this pool than Shattenkirk.
Get your points from your forwards, get the Hits/TOI from rugged D-men.

I'd go Ryan.

[jsuites]

13 teams x 12F = 156F in play.
13 teams x 6D = 78D in play.

Shattenkirk finished 47th among D in TOI. (below the average rostered D)
Shattenkirk finished 112th among D in Hits. (outside of the average rostered D)

When a player is sub-par (or out-of-range) on 2/6 cats, you have to question their value in the league a bit.

I would bet Brent Seabrook & Dan Girardi are more valuable in this pool than Shattenkirk.
Get your points from your forwards, get the Hits/TOI from rugged D-men.

I'd go Ryan.

Great analysis here, I agree.

[Essej]

I would defiantly keep Ryan over Shattenkirk. More times than not I'd take the forward over a D. I think it's easier to replace what Shattenkirk brings, than it would be to replace Ryan.

[VincentVega]

I didn't do any detailed calc to see each player's value but I can't imagine any reasonably structured league in which Shattenkirk is more valuable than Ryan.

[Vancityguy]

You have to keep Ryan here in my opinion, he's far too talented and you could regret keeping a mid tier dman over a top tier forward, especially if that ducks PP re-ignites.

[blayze]

In that format, Ryan for sure.

Shatty is only decent in points-only.