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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakkster View Post
    Yakupov and the rest of the non-Canadian hockey world was obviously right. Canada plays dirty hockey, obviously going for injuries all the time. This has become more than just a small pattern, it's their default mode of play.

    First Jenner on Pettersson in the warmup games http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwuPLjCU4W8

    Today it's Camara on Luza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9V3TMGGQE
    And Lipon on Mikus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTtT1cCzBJo

    This tournament has hardly even started and Canada is playing dirtier than ever. I wonder how many Canadians will defend this pathetic behavior.
    The crybabyism is strong in the Swede's! Jenner's hit was late but happens, wasnt malicious or a bad hit, his momenteum carried him into the kid and he finished his check. Ref's made the right call since he was a second late on the hit but exactly how was Jenner going to stop there? Have you ever skated? The swede ended up with a broken wrist in a contact sport, omg!

    Camara's hit was clean, its a good hit, that kid he hit needs to learn to keep his head up.

    Lipon's hit is fine as well until he got his forearm up trying to finish his check, that slovak is embellishing like a champ on the ice there to get a penatly, give me a break "dakkster", there was no force to the hit and the slovak is clearly embellishing to draw a 5 minute penalty. Your over sensationalism in this being an "indefensible, pathetic behavior" is a joke.

    I get that your looking for avenues to discredit the skill level of the Canadian team to make yourself feel better but there is nothing "dirty" in the overall play of the Canadian team.

    Move along......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancityguy View Post
    The crybabyism is strong in the Swede's! Jenner's hit was late but happens, wasnt malicious or a bad hit, his momenteum carried him into the kid and he finished his check. Ref's made the right call since he was a second late on the hit but exactly how was Jenner going to stop there? Have you ever skated? The swede ended up with a broken wrist in a contact sport, omg!

    Camara's hit was clean, its a good hit, that kid he hit needs to learn to keep his head up.

    Lipon's hit is fine as well until he got his forearm up trying to finish his check, that slovak is embellishing like a champ on the ice there to get a penatly, give me a break "dakkster", there was no force to the hit and the slovak is clearly embellishing to draw a 5 minute penalty. Your over sensationalism in this being an "indefensible, pathetic behavior" is a joke.

    I get that your looking for avenues to discredit the skill level of the Canadian team to make yourself feel better but there is nothing "dirty" in the overall play of the Canadian team.

    Move along......
    If that Swede had his head up at all he could have easily protected himself....

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    For as long as I can remember, Canadian hockey has been known as a hard hitting, aggressive, physical style of hockey. Everyone knows it so when they play that way, why are people surprised or worse, call them dirty.

    European countries for as long as I can remember have been known as divers. They fall when the wind blows by them or a stick taps their leg. No wonder they flake out when they feel the thunderous check from a Canadian hockey player.

    It is what is it. It's not dirty hockey when you get hit with a clean check. Deal with it. It's also not dirty hockey when body checks are being delivered.

    To me, it's like the people who don't like porn. If you don't like what you are about to see, don't watch it. If you consider Canadian hockey to be dirty, then don't watch them play. Stop your complaining.

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    If you don't like that physical style of hockey, maybe you should be watching the figure skating channel. That would be more your speed on ice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slufoot View Post
    Has anyone forgotten that hockey is a contact sport, and by association, dangerous? I'm all for eradicating hits where players unnecessarily target an opponents head when they could instead make a clean bodycheck (which is what the Camara hit was). But to start talking about penalizing any hit that contacts the head is ridiculous.

    Yes concussions are a serious issue, but you can't eliminate them from a contact sport. If you're not comfortable with the risks involved in the game and the potential outcomes, watch ball hockey or floorball.

    BTW, the NFL has become a complete joke with the way receivers and quarterbacks are protected in the middle of the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    For as long as I can remember, Canadian hockey has been known as a hard hitting, aggressive, physical style of hockey. Everyone knows it so when they play that way, why are people surprised or worse, call them dirty.

    European countries for as long as I can remember have been known as divers. They fall when the wind blows by them or a stick taps their leg. No wonder they flake out when they feel the thunderous check from a Canadian hockey player.

    It is what is it. It's not dirty hockey when you get hit with a clean check. Deal with it. It's also not dirty hockey when body checks are being delivered.

    To me, it's like the people who don't like porn. If you don't like what you are about to see, don't watch it. If you consider Canadian hockey to be dirty, then don't watch them play. Stop your complaining.

    Canadian hockey is like Alexander Keiths beer. Those who like it, like it a lot!

    If you don't like that physical style of hockey, maybe you should be watching the figure skating channel. That would be more your speed on ice.
    There is a difference between physical hockey and dirty hockey. Canadian juniors have been playing predominantly dirty hockey in recent years. When they cross the line, it's no longer just physical hockey. They've been crossing the line too often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post

    To me, it's like the people who don't like porn. If you don't like what you are about to see, don't watch it.
    HAHA, talk about coming out of left field!! Didn't see that one coming

    But remember, porn is FAR DIRTIER than Canadian hockey.

    This has been such as STUPID arguement from the onset. Let's move on and enjoy some hockey.

    I'm sure i'll see some chippy, hard hitting play in the CAN vs USA game and i'll welcome it with open arms, and not bitch about it. Hockey isin't played in ballet shoes....
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    The Jenner hit was late. The Lipon hit was soft and had he had his hands down it would have been a mediocre hit. The Camara hit was a beast of a hit. I do believe it was a bit of a charge, but it was borderline a charge. I do feel under IIHF rules it is illegal because of how well he drives through the guy and they use the term drive in that description I read in a post above. Honestly, that would have been exactly how he was taught to hit. It does appear in the slow mo that the driving through the guy AFTER the initial contact causes him to leave his feet. With how we teach hitting, that is a textbook hit. However, Under IIHF I believe they have a strong case to call it illegal.

    I don't agree with the assessment that Russia is more likely to do stick work. I think the difference between all nations and the utilization of their sticks is negliable. However, I do believe that Canada is taught much better on how to hit hard and how to avoid hits. The smaller ice surface certainly helps make that an early and inherent lesson. The problem arises with over-aggression or perhaps over-adrenaline given the big stage, the amount of pressure/attention we put on these young athletes, and their hormones raging. The fact that they are in general better hitters and better at avoiding hits on average than the other nations simply gives a guy like Camara a vessel to absolute destroy a guy without malicious intent or any fault of his own, while the Nuge and others remain untouched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Call of Doughty View Post

    I'm sure i'll see some chippy, hard hitting play in the CAN vs USA game and i'll welcome it with open arms, and not bitch about it. Hockey isin't played in ballet shoes....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Call of Doughty View Post
    HAHA, talk about coming out of left field!! Didn't see that one coming

    But remember, porn is FAR DIRTIER than Canadian hockey.

    This has been such as STUPID arguement from the onset. Let's move on and enjoy some hockey.

    I'm sure i'll see some chippy, hard hitting play in the CAN vs USA game and i'll welcome it with open arms, and not bitch about it. Hockey isin't played in ballet shoes....
    Its funny, when it's Canada vs USA, no one calls those games dirty. It's good hard hockey. When it's Canada vs a European team, and Canada is hitting, it's dirty.

    I am quite looking forward to Canada vs USA.
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    Oh yeah- the knee-on-knee against Scheifele was good clean European hockey... Only diff from the Europeans is that Scheifele gets up and contributes greatly to the win. Now you see, that is the difference between Canadian and European hockey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross The Boss Palmer View Post
    .....gives a guy like Camara a vessel to absolute destroy a guy without malicious intent .....
    This statement contradicts itself....

    We can try and justify it all we want......Camara was trying to hurt him and nothing else.
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    On the flip side often a good hard fought game between two European countries will involve a level of diving and flopping that makes me want to vomit.

    Watch this clip of the 2010 WHC Gold Medal Final - it's about 9 minutes long and at the time I remember being completely disgusted with what I was watching. This is only a piece of what the third period was like as it was riddled with suspect penalties being called and players diving all over the place. However, there is no denying that both of these teams are playing their hearts out, it just gets manifested in a way that looks like a mutant version of hockey.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFdQsnKrjr4

    Some highlights. The slash at bout 0:35
    The Czech player getting a forearm from Malkin and appearing to be mortally wounded at 1:17 to about 1:50 ish.
    Vokoun being clearly gored by a bull at 6:00

    However, for the European crowd it's hockey at it's best, and setting aside the antics, I can see why. It's certainly emotional. Using whatever tools are available to try and win the game. They are disgusted by the physical play of North American hockey and many of us are disgusted with the antics of the European hockey. In some ways the type of hockey are two different rule sets.

    So it's only natural that proponents of the type of hockey they love will see the other type as bad and/or wrong. But it's just different and it's been that way for SO long.

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    The start-up of this thread is ridiculous.

    You can have this debate about many teams in any league in any country.


    One point that should be made:

    Players growing up on smaller ice surfaces (North America) will naturally play more physical than those who are accustomed to the bigger ice surfaces in Europe - where there is more time with the puck and playing too physical can expose your team positionally/defensively.

    In North America, physical play is more rewarded due to the smaller surface, as it creates opportunities and players don't end up out of position as badly as they would on Olympic size rinks.

    If Canada is the most physical/dirtiest team, then I would guess that most would say the US are 2nd in this regard. The two nations that play on smaller rinks are the most physical, hmmmm.....not exactly a coincidence. These teams are not going to change their style of play that one time a year (WHC, WJC, Olympics) on the larger rinks. Similar to how European teams don't all of a sudden become more physical when these tournaments are hosted in North America.

    Just my .02 cents.



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    So I guess you guys saying that they're not playing dirty and whatnot have no problem at all with players getting hit into the stoneage and their careers shortened by several years on average. Guys should follow through on their hits, damn it! You're part of the problem, not the solution, especially when it comes to the concussion epidemic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    This statement contradicts itself....

    We can try and justify it all we want......Camara was trying to hurt him and nothing else.
    I meant he didn't jump, throw an elbow, etc., it appeared like he completed the hit exactly as he was taught and he was surprised at the impact and end result, immediately after the hit which is why he stopped and seems confused. He rocked the guy way harder than he thought he would, he then completely forgets about the play as he is processing just how well he hit the guy, and I hope he is also hoping he's alright.

    Quote Originally Posted by MolsonX View Post
    The start-up of this thread is ridiculous.

    You can have this debate about many teams in any league in any country.


    One point that should be made:

    Players growing up on smaller ice surfaces (North America) will naturally play more physical than those who are accustomed to the bigger ice surfaces in Europe - where there is more time with the puck and playing too physical can expose your team positionally/defensively.

    In North America, physical play is more rewarded due to the smaller surface, as it creates opportunities and players don't end up out of position as badly as they would on Olympic size rinks.

    If Canada is the most physical/dirtiest team, then I would guess that most would say the US are 2nd in this regard. The two nations that play on smaller rinks are the most physical, hmmmm.....not exactly a coincidence. These teams are not going to change their style of play that one time a year (WHC, WJC, Olympics) on the larger rinks. Similar to how European teams don't all of a sudden become more physical when these tournaments are hosted in North America.

    Just my .02 cents.



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