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    hi everyone
    i have a proposition of trade

    i give

    z parise
    m pacioretty
    j schultz
    tj oshie

    i get

    JT
    nino
    o jokinen
    v hedman
    whos side win

    we must keep 11 players at the end of the year(must keep 2 def )
    keeper league 18 GM sixth years
    one first place and one second place
    Goal,helper,Victory(2pts),SO(1 pts) standart point only

    ----forward----
    JT, benn,nyqvist,connelly,johansen,nichuskin,gallaguer ,gagner,
    kucherov,bennett,coyle,andrighetto

    ----def----
    j gardiner,kulikov,brodin,donovan

    ----goa-lies----
    alle,,poulin

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    Quote Originally Posted by gagoo View Post
    hi everyone
    i have a proposition of trade

    i give

    z parise
    m pacioretty
    j schultz
    tj oshie

    i get

    JT
    nino
    o jokinen
    v hedman
    whos side win

    we must keep 11 players at the end of the year(must keep 2 def )
    Yep, I'd make that deal. JT is the best player in the deal, and that would get it done for me. I also like the fact you are getting Hedman in this deal. If you chose to keep him, I think it would really benefit you (especially if he continues his NHL success from late last season and KHL success from this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gagoo View Post
    hi everyone
    i have a proposition of trade

    i give

    z parise
    m pacioretty
    j schultz
    tj oshie

    i get

    JT
    nino
    o jokinen
    v hedman
    whos side win

    we must keep 11 players at the end of the year(must keep 2 def )
    Keep 2 defenseman... you have JG, MDZ as well as Schultz. I'd make the deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gagoo View Post
    hi everyone
    i have a proposition of trade

    i give

    z parise
    m pacioretty
    j schultz
    tj oshie

    i get

    JT
    nino
    o jokinen
    v hedman
    whos side win

    we must keep 11 players at the end of the year(must keep 2 def )

    I absolutely love Tavares (drafted him at #6 in two consecutive multi-cat pools for this year)... but, I have to talk this one out.



    This is a deep league, 18 teams x keep 11 = 198 players kept.
    This shakes down to likely 130F, 40D, 30G.

    It looks like you count 12F,4D,2G...
    So the number of counting forwards are 216F, 72D, 36G.


    I see the players like this:
    95pts Tavares (+10 on Parise. *95pts is a pretty high number for Parise... 90 might be more reasonable, for most people.)
    85pts Parise

    60pts O.Jokinen (yes, I think he'll have a nice year)
    60pts Pacioretty

    35pts Hedman
    45pts J.Schultz (+10 on Hedman)

    40pts Nino
    55pts Oshie (+15 on Nino)


    It's a very close trade.
    Many of us are big on Tavares... but he's still stuck on a sub-par Isles team with a lack of talent, while Parise has moved to a very nice line with Minnesota.

    Even if Nino/Oshie are NOT keepers, I think I prefer the Parise side here, mostly due to the overall keeper depth (200 players) in this pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gagoo View Post
    hi everyone
    i have a proposition of trade

    i give

    z parise
    m pacioretty
    j schultz
    tj oshie

    i get

    JT
    nino
    o jokinen
    v hedman
    whos side win

    we must keep 11 players at the end of the year(must keep 2 def )
    Although I love JT, I love Shultz's potential much more than that of Hedmans. I also think the side of Parise/Patches/Oshie will provide you with more points than JT/Nino/Jokinen. I wouldn't be parting with Schultz, but I do know you have to give up to get. I wouldn't do that deal. If you could replace Nino and Jokinen with a little more flavour, I might be more inclined to like the deal.


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    I like JT as much as the next guy, but gimme the parise side without hesitation.
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    It's a keep 11... I'd make the deal...

    I'd rather this keeper set (with the trade):

    a kopitar
    j benn
    Tavares
    j pavelski
    Jokinen


    ----def----
    MDZ
    j gardiner
    d kulikov
    Hedman

    ----goalies----
    o pavalec
    j halak

    Than this set (without the trade):
    a kopitar
    j benn
    z parise
    j pavelski
    pacioretty

    ----def----
    MDZ
    j gardiner
    d kulikov
    j schultz

    ----goalies----
    o pavalec
    j halak
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    in the 11 keepers 2 of them must be keep

    whitout trade my keeper are

    kopitar,benn, parise, max pac ,pavelski,oshie and one in ladd,stafford or johansson
    my def are MDZ and schultz with halal and pavalec

    really hard to have 2 goods goalies in my league because 36 goalies are draft each year and only 30 teams in the league
    keeper league 18 GM sixth years
    one first place and one second place
    Goal,helper,Victory(2pts),SO(1 pts) standart point only

    ----forward----
    JT, benn,nyqvist,connelly,johansen,nichuskin,gallaguer ,gagner,
    kucherov,bennett,coyle,andrighetto

    ----def----
    j gardiner,kulikov,brodin,donovan

    ----goa-lies----
    alle,,poulin

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    Quote Originally Posted by arctic_rogue View Post
    It's a keep 11... I'd make the deal...

    I'd rather this keeper set (with the trade):

    a kopitar
    j benn
    Tavares
    j pavelski
    Jokinen


    ----def----
    MDZ
    j gardiner
    d kulikov
    Hedman

    ----goalies----
    o pavalec
    j halak

    Than this set (without the trade):
    a kopitar
    j benn
    z parise
    j pavelski
    pacioretty

    ----def----
    MDZ
    j gardiner
    d kulikov
    j schultz

    ----goalies----
    o pavalec
    j halak
    When you list it like that, it further reinforces my preference of the parise side haha.

    In my league, if I offered my Ollie jokinen to the maxpac owner straight up I would get laughed at. If I offered my Hedman to the owner of Justin Schultz I would get bitched at for low balling. Neither oshie or nińo are keepers but tj will most assuredly be at least twice as productive this year. So to give up so much on all those counts, the gap between JT and parise would have to be pretty substantial. It's not.

    I think it wouldnt take long for you to regret this trade if you made it. Tavares is elite but his ceiling is around 100 pts. Parise has already shown us he is capable of 90+ and their age difference is negligible. All this points to a no go for me.
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    I agree JT is the best player in the deal but , I think that's a steep price for some equally potential offensive talent , one a d-man for Ed.!
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    Tavares is a top 5 player in any keep pool... It's a no brainer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gagoo View Post
    hi everyone
    i have a proposition of trade

    i give

    z parise
    m pacioretty
    j schultz
    tj oshie

    i get

    JT
    nino
    o jokinen
    v hedman
    whos side win

    we must keep 11 players at the end of the year(must keep 2 def )
    You're giving up a lot, but this is John Tavares were talking about here. He is one of a kind and becoming a force at the NHL level.

    Make the deal, you won't regret it.
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    As much as I like JT, and even though he's the best player in the deal, I have to side with the Parise side here. The old mantra of 'whoever gets the best player wins'....this deal may be the exception!

    In your league that is as deep as it is, even if you have JT you will be severely hurting your 11 keepers. Your 11th keeper would be who, Gardiner or Stafford or someone...I think a previous poster stated something along these lines also?

    How did this deal get so big? I think you should just try to deal for Tavares, and scrap the other "junk" in the deal...yes, the players you're getting have some value, but who cares(!), go get some guys with the same stats or better in your re-draft.

    I'd pass, and counter offer something JUST for Tavares.

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    we talk about this deal since the summers ,
    before the draft

    he ask me
    parise,max,pavalec my first pick ( fourth overal to draft a goalie"holtby")
    for
    tavares,nino his second pick(18) and his last

    i refuse, since we talk a lot ....

    the problem he is very high on nino ! and hedman( i see him like a def 35-40 pts max in the best case)

    my keeper IF we trade will be benn,tavares,kopi,pavelski,ladd stafford with nino ( for 1 year just to see what he can do)

    jokinen is the kind of player we can draft second or third round.
    the players in the first round are always the young gun and some veteran and goalies (because the are rarely available after the first round)
    keeper league 18 GM sixth years
    one first place and one second place
    Goal,helper,Victory(2pts),SO(1 pts) standart point only

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    JT, benn,nyqvist,connelly,johansen,nichuskin,gallaguer ,gagner,
    kucherov,bennett,coyle,andrighetto

    ----def----
    j gardiner,kulikov,brodin,donovan

    ----goa-lies----
    alle,,poulin

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    I would try to do a similar deal with Nino and Pavelec removed from the deal. As it stands, you're overpaying for what will be a top 5 point-producer for years, and I think I'd do the deals as it stands. But since your trade partner is too high on Nino, see how the deal can be tweaked so that you don't overpay for him.
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