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    I was offered this trade this morning.

    My Schultz and a 8th round pick.

    For his Phaneuf and a 3rd round pick.

    Here is his roster, any thoughts on counter offers? Team in Sig. Thanks!

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    Patric Hornqvist, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Cam Fowler, Dion Phaneuf, Ryan Ellis. Kiprusoff, Backstrom
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    I'd totally take Phaneuf and the 3rd.

    Worst case, Schultz turns out to be a 50-55pt scorer.
    We already know Phaneuf is a steady 40pt guy... so maybe (MAYBE!) you lose 15pts on this deal... absolute worst case.

    In a partial keepers (11x11 players), I'm not even sure Schultz (or Phaneuf) are keepers. The 3rd round pick can be huge though, in these pools.

    Phaneuf + 3rd = Thumbs up...
    but wait...
    If that was a first offer, you should always counter.
    Ask for Phaneuf + 2nd.
    My guess, you'll get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    I'd totally take Phaneuf and the 3rd.

    Worst case, Schultz turns out to be a 50-55pt scorer.
    We already know Phaneuf is a steady 40pt guy... so maybe (MAYBE!) you lose 15pts on this deal... absolute worst case.

    In a partial keepers (11x11 players), I'm not even sure Schultz (or Phaneuf) are keepers. The 3rd round pick can be huge though, in these pools.

    Phaneuf + 3rd = Thumbs up...
    but wait...
    If that was a first offer, you should always counter.
    Ask for Phaneuf + 2nd.
    My guess, you'll get it!
    Perfect advice. I can't believe you're getting the pick upgrade with the more "safe" player. Schultz is tearing up the AHL -- true. But he hasn't stepped on to NHL ice yet. Lots of growing pains could still occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBigJankowski View Post
    I was offered this trade this morning.

    My Schultz and a 8th round pick.

    For his Phaneuf and a 3rd round pick.

    Here is his roster, any thoughts on counter offers? Team in Sig. Thanks!

    Matt Duchene, Derek Roy, Ryan Getzlaf, Joe Thornton, Curtis Glencross, Thomas Vanek, Rick Nash, Alex Ovechkin, Sam Gagner, Jakub Voracek, Ales Hemsky,
    Patric Hornqvist, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Cam Fowler, Dion Phaneuf, Ryan Ellis. Kiprusoff, Backstrom
    Farm: Jonathan Huberdeau, Sean Couturier
    Oh HELL YA...Phaneuf and the pick upgrade! I'd be accepting this without question.

    Like Pengwin7 says...Shultz MAY turn out to be a pretty decent offensive defenceman...but you KNOW that Phaneuf is that already (all the hayter's aside). PLUS the pick upgrade! I'd toy with the idea of upgrading the pick like Pen said...but this trade as is...is a win for you...I'd be more apt to click the accept button before he has a chance to rethink his offer.
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    Yeah this is pretty much a must-do deal. Phanuef has history plus a hell of a pick upgrade.

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    take that for sure. your competitor is jumping on the hype and you need to get it done before he comes to his senses.
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    I'd do it just for the pick upgrade. Neither Schultz or Phaneuf is a keeper for you.
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    Just me, I'd either counter for a higher pick or Fowler instead of Phaneuf. Just personal opinion of who I like more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    Just me, I'd either counter for a higher pick or Fowler instead of Phaneuf. Just personal opinion of who I like more.
    It would only make sense to counter with Fowler instead of Phaneuf if any of these D-men would be keepers. But I don't see it. His weakest keepers are Marleau and Hossa (and the two rookies but I assume they need to keep some rookies?) and he has Shattenkirk, Schneider, Kesler, Pacioretty and Wheeler to replace them with. Not really room to keep any of Schultz, Phaneuf or Fowler. Atleast I wouldn't keep any of those three.
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    I would make this deal if I were you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carcillo View Post
    It would only make sense to counter with Fowler instead of Phaneuf if any of these D-men would be keepers. But I don't see it. His weakest keepers are Marleau and Hossa (and the two rookies but I assume they need to keep some rookies?) and he has Shattenkirk, Schneider, Kesler, Pacioretty and Wheeler to replace them with. Not really room to keep any of Schultz, Phaneuf or Fowler. Atleast I wouldn't keep any of those three.
    The more I look at Carcillo's comments...the more I have to agree. Especially if there's no season and you can't cash in on Phaneuf or Fowler over Schultz. That said...the draft pick is an upgrade regardless as long as you get to use it (should next year's draft be cancelled).

    I think it's at best a lateral move for the players involved (even though Phaneuf is more valuable now than Fowler and Fowler just as...if not more valueable than Shultz...end of the day...it doesn't matter)...both will likely get dropped...but the pick is a sure thing upgrade.

    Still a no brainer for me...I'd accept.
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    I'd take the Phaneuf side of that deal with very, very little thought.

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    Ya know, I have Schultz in a points-only keeper and wouldn't move him for Phaneuf.

    I know its all hype right now, but kid's situation is unreal heading forward.

    As for Phaneuf - seriously, he's a 40-45pt blueliner now and that's with EVERY opportunity in the world in TO.

    I'm not dying to keep a 45pt guy...but I'll keep a kid who has a chance to be a complete offensive stud. Particularly if these guys are gonna be your last keeper. Schultz may not pan out, but I'm willing to keep him and see if he does.

    As for the pick upgrade - I'm in the group that thinks smart drafting can happen anytime in a draft. 3rd for 8th sounds great, but that's not a deal-maker for me.

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    rueben smart drafting can take place anywhere, but you will have more options open to you with a 3rd. This is a limited keeper so that 3rd will have something very good left there, where the 8th will not have nearly as much talent left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notoriousjim View Post
    rueben smart drafting can take place anywhere, but you will have more options open to you with a 3rd. This is a limited keeper so that 3rd will have something very good left there, where the 8th will not have nearly as much talent left.
    Ha! On further review - I may take my comment back b/c I missed the parts about neither being keepers.

    If that's set in stone....then YES take the upgraded pick.

    Each league is different, so I was thinking of mine.

    I apologize to any I offended.

    That being said, I'd still prefer the upside of Schultz and his situation to the 40-45ish of Phaneuf.

    Especially as a 4th blueliner, or last keeper (if that was the case)...or as a possible replacement to the two the original poster is keeping from his farm (if that's an available move).

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