Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: McDonagh offensive upside

  1. #1
    Location
    Vancouver
    Rep Power
    40

    Dobber Sports Juggernaut

    Default McDonagh offensive upside

    A lot of it depends on how he is deployed - so good defensively, which may impact his PP time negatively.

    Assuming MDZ is the primary PP QB in NY - where does McDonagh fit in? Could he hit 45 points even in more of a defensive role?
    Follow me on Twitter: AngusCertified
    Check my blog out: Angus Certified

  2. #2
    Location
    Ontario
    Rep Power
    40

    Administrator

    Default

    If the over/under is 45, I take the under. He has not been a good offensive player at any level and his 32-point season stands out from the rest of his college/AHL/NHL career. Some people see upside because of the season he had and his age, but I think 32 will be close to his max.


    Contact me for Frozen Tools bug reports and inquiries
    Follow Frozen Tools on Twitter @FrozenTools
    Follow me on Twitter @DH_EricDaoust

  3. #3
    vandalay's Avatar
    vandalay is offline
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    1,777
    Rep Power
    27

    Dobber Sports Stud

    Default

    I'm thinking that 40 is his upside, where he hits that in his best season offensively. Overall I think you'll see him settle in at the 28-35 point range pretty consistently. He'll get the ice to put up 25+ but I don't see the offensive instincts or the PP time to rise above 35 other than maybe a couple of times.

  4. #4
    Location
    Ottawa
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports Juggernaut

    Default

    Yeah, I agree that 40 points is his upside.

    He's become a fantastic defenseman in the NHL, but his offensive upside is limited IMO.
    "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken."

    "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."

  5. #5
    arctic_rogue's Avatar
    arctic_rogue is offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    2,445
    Rep Power
    34

    Dobber Sports Pro

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dmvincent View Post
    Yeah, I agree that 40 points is his upside.

    He's become a fantastic defenseman in the NHL, but his offensive upside is limited IMO.
    I see him as the same. Fantastic NHL defenseman but a solid fantasy d-man. Now that could change with more PP responsibility, especially if MDZ is offer-sheeted and let go.
    __________________________________________________ __________________
    UHL Dynasty St. Louis Blues
    ...playoffs, how the eff did I make the playoffs?

    UDL Western Kings
    ...oh boy... this build is gonna be a while...

  6. #6
    Location
    Ontario
    Rep Power
    40

    Administrator

    Default

    This is where 'upside' and '3YP' come into play. In a perfect storm he could certainly hit the 40-45 range. I just find it unlikely that he will do that. I think he will fall in the 25-35 range every year. He never did anything outstanding offensively prior to entering the NHL and I believe it is the system and favorable environment that pushed him over 30 points.


    Contact me for Frozen Tools bug reports and inquiries
    Follow Frozen Tools on Twitter @FrozenTools
    Follow me on Twitter @DH_EricDaoust

  7. #7
    Rep Power
    15

    Dobber Sports Prodigy

    Default

    Count me in for a solid 30-35 consistently. I'd put him in the same class as Brent Seabrook or Dan Hamhuis. Might fluke to a 40+ season every now and then because of massive amounts of ice time and a high octane offense, but if your expectation is 35 points, you won't be disappointed.

  8. #8
    Rep Power
    37

    Dobber Sports Pro

    Default

    McDonagh is a player I'm really keen on. I'd be willing to bet he becomes a consistent 40+ point d-man, who provides solid +/-, ranks top 3 on NYR in hits and top 2 in blocked shots. Really I think Duncan Keith is a more accurate comparison than Brent Seabrook. Now, I'm not naive enough to say McDonagh is going to be as good as Keith is, a Norris trophy winning defenseman...but in terms of playing style, McDonagh matches up better with Keith than Seabrook.

    One, while it might be a stretch to claim his hockey sense is "off the charts" its probably his best asset(besides his superb skating ability). Hes already one of the best skaters in the NHL. He doesn't get much credit for it but he actually has a nice hard accurate shot. Not a blistering bomb like Chara, Weber or Buff...buts hes good at finding the net through traffic.

    Hes an above average passer and on the defensive side of things, one could make an argument he was the Rangers best overall d-man last season...everyone was singing Dan Girardi's praises, which is fine, hes a solid vet and has come along way, any team would be happy to have him...but seems to me I watched McDonagh bail Girardi out in tough spots more often than the other way around. Really McDonagh's biggest weakness is his size, not the biggest d-man out there(6-1, around 215 lbs) but that certainly didn't stop him from shutting down other teams best scorers last season. He did all that as a 23 year old in his 1st full NHL season(played 40 games prior last season). Hes also received much praise from John Tortorella which doesn't hurt either!!

    I know I've made this post a lengthy one, but the point is, he really impressed me quite a bit last season, and not someone I'd underrate.
    Last edited by The Hockey Hitman; November 28, 2012 at 5:01 AM.

  9. #9
    Location
    TERRACE is hockey
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports Giant

    Default

    i see him reaching 40 points only if mdz doesnt sign with the nyr. he doesnt get too much offensive opportunity. he does get good periferials stats though.
    10 team Full Keeper Roto League
    4C-4LW-4RW-6D-2G-5bench-unlimited farm.

    C= eichel,horvat,malkin,kuznetsov
    LW= forsberg,kreider,lee,b.tkchuch,hertle,granlund
    RW= reinhart,radulov,hoffman,laine,hayes
    D= doughty,ghostebehere,karlsson,jones,klefbom,dahlin ,skjei
    G= price,murray,grubauer,georgiev,ullmark,samsonov

    under250gp=nichushkin,tuch,mathesson,marino,pujuja rvi,hosang,terry,andersson,j.hughes,patrik,crouse, zadina,podkolzin,k.miller,nedeljkovic,kravtsov,hay ton

    --G,A,P,PPP,SHP,GWG,PIMS,+/-,SOG,hits,FOW,blks-Wins,GAA,SV%,saves,SO

  10. #10
    kluu's Avatar
    kluu is offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    1,023
    Location
    San Jose
    Rep Power
    16

    Dobber Sports Padawan

    Default

    Montreal drafted him for his offensive upside, no?

  11. #11
    Rep Power
    16

    Dobber Sports Apprentice

    Default

    Assuming MDZ gets the main PP time I would say somewhere between 30-35 points. Seems low, but I think NYR like him in the shut down role more than a scorer. If Del Zotto goes elsewhere that would obviously change.

  12. #12
    Carcillo's Avatar
    Carcillo is offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    7,987
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports Guru

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kluu View Post
    Montreal drafted him for his offensive upside, no?
    They also traded him for Gomez so I wouldn't go with Montreal's opinion on him
    UHL Pittsburgh Penguins

    24 Team Fantrax Salary Cap H2H Dynasty League
    G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG, SOG
    , Hits, Blks, FOW
    W, GAA, SV, SV%, SO
    23 Man Roster - 3C, 3LW, 3RW, 3F, 6D, 1G, 4BN, 4IR
    27 Man Minor Team

    C-
    Tavares, Stepan, Granlund, Bjugstad, Couturier
    LW- Ryan, Perron, Ennis, Killorn, Spaling
    RW-
    Wheeler, Simmonds, Coyle, Wingels, Shaw
    D-
    JJ, Schultz, Cowen, Muzzin, Bortuzzo, Stanton
    G- Lehtonen, Rämö

    F: Lehterä, Wennberg,
    McNeill, de la Rose, Fast, Leivo, Arnold, Archibald, Lindström
    D: Gelinas, Beaulieu, Koekkoek, McCabe, Johns, Gryba
    G: Berra, Talbot, Brossoit, Ullmark, Lieuwen, Rynnäs

    *UHL Champion 2014*

  13. #13
    arctic_rogue's Avatar
    arctic_rogue is offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    2,445
    Rep Power
    34

    Dobber Sports Pro

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Carcillo View Post
    They also traded him for Gomez so I wouldn't go with Montreal's opinion on him
    What? You mean it wasn't a good trade for Montreal?
    __________________________________________________ __________________
    UHL Dynasty St. Louis Blues
    ...playoffs, how the eff did I make the playoffs?

    UDL Western Kings
    ...oh boy... this build is gonna be a while...

  14. #14
    Location
    Ontario
    Rep Power
    40

    Administrator

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by arctic_rogue View Post
    What? You mean it wasn't a good trade for Montreal?
    It was excellent in terms of creating headlines.


    Contact me for Frozen Tools bug reports and inquiries
    Follow Frozen Tools on Twitter @FrozenTools
    Follow me on Twitter @DH_EricDaoust

  15. #15
    arctic_rogue's Avatar
    arctic_rogue is offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    2,445
    Rep Power
    34

    Dobber Sports Pro

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ericdaoust View Post
    It was excellent in terms of creating headlines.
    ... and filling cap space.
    __________________________________________________ __________________
    UHL Dynasty St. Louis Blues
    ...playoffs, how the eff did I make the playoffs?

    UDL Western Kings
    ...oh boy... this build is gonna be a while...

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •