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    So, the extended draft is finally over. Before evaluating, here is a bit of history. I went onto the end of last year with no picks in the first 4 rounds. I was really going for it, so I traded them. Then at the deadline I traded Niemi for Campbell and a 1st. I already had Thomas and Crawford, so I felt OK. It's a contract pool (which is why some teams stopped drafting much earlier) We sign a player for 1-4 years. (signed players can still be dropped). After going for it I was left with a lot of one year players. But, we can re-sign one player each. So, I targeted the teams without great options to resign and pulled the following off-season deals.

    Byfuglian-Halak (who I would soon deal away)
    Then Quick became available, so I traded Chara for him, making him a lock to be my re-sign
    Datsyuk (who I was planning on keeping)-2nd
    Hartnell-3rd
    Campbell-3rd
    St. Louis 4th+ Grabovski
    Then I flipped Halak and a first (11th overall) for the first overall
    Just as the draft was starting I also dealt Cammileri for Briere as there was a shortage of good C to be drafted

    And the draft went like so….(I am Wabamun)

    Round 1
    Pick
    1 Wabamun Oil Ducks Lucic, Milan LW BOS******************
    2 Lucan Ghost Fleischmann, Tomas LW FLA
    3 Picture Butte Sugar Kings Kronwall, Niklas D DET
    4 Winnipeg Jets McDonagh, Ryan D NYR 2 hrs
    5 Bowden Ball Busters Oshie, T.J. RW STL
    6 Kitchener Park Bunnies Ribeiro, Mike C WAS
    7 Hanna Haymakers Enstrom, Tobias D WPG
    8 Bowden Ball Busters Lehtonen, Kari G DAL
    9 Red Deer Rustlers Burns, Brent D SJ 6 hrs
    10 Leduc Oil Kings Bergeron, Patrice C BOS
    11 High River Bucks Perron, David LW STL
    12 Ontario Beavers Moulson, Matt LW NYI
    13 High River Bucks Ehrhoff, Christian D BUF
    14 Lethbridge Leprechauns Stafford, Drew RW BUF
    15 Dawson City DonkeyPunch Michalek, Milan LW OTT
    16 High River Bucks van Riemsdyk, James LW TOR
    Round 2
    Pick
    1 High River Bucks Markov, Andrei D MON
    2 Wabamun Oil Ducks Filppula, Valtteri C DET ************************
    3 Picture Butte Sugar Kings Schenn, Luke D PHI
    4 Winnipeg Jets Bouwmeester, Jay D CGY
    5 Bowden Ball Busters Okposo, Kyle RW NYI
    6 Kitchener Park Bunnies Elias, Patrik LW NJ
    7 Hanna Haymakers Hemsky, Ales RW EDM
    8 Lucan Ghost Purcell, Teddy RW TB
    9 Sherwood Park Flames Stalberg, Viktor RW CHI
    10 Leduc Oil Kings Robidas, Stephane D DAL
    11 Leduc Oil Kings Schultz, Justin D EDM
    12 Leduc Oil Kings Crawford, Corey G CHI
    13 Red Deer Rustlers Hiller, Jonas G ANA
    14 Picture Butte Sugar Kings Quincey, Kyle D DET
    15 Dawson City DonkeyPunch Williams, Justin RW LA
    16 Winnipeg Jets Morrow, Brenden LW DAL
    Round 3
    Pick
    1 High River Bucks Lindback, Anders G TB
    2 Lucan Ghost Pavelec, Ondrej G WPG
    3 Picture Butte Sugar Kings Whitney, Ray LW DAL
    4 Wabamun Oil Ducks Despres, Simon D PIT *******************
    5 Wabamun Oil Ducks White, Ian D DET *********************
    6 Kitchener Park Bunnies Gilbert, Tom D MIN
    7 Hanna Haymakers Tanguay, Alex LW CGY
    8 Saskatoon Sex Pistols Vrbata, Radim RW PHO
    9 Sherwood Park Flames Foligno, Marcus LW BUF
    10 Red Deer Rustlers Clarkson, David RW NJ
    11 Picture Butte Sugar Kings Boychuk, Johnny D BOS
    12 Ontario Beavers O'Brien, Shane D COL
    13 Leduc Oil Kings Stone, Mark RW OTT
    14 Lethbridge Leprechauns Staal, Marc D NYR
    15 Dawson City DonkeyPunch Elliott, Brian G STL
    16 Red Deer Rustlers Cowen, Jared D OTT
    Round 4
    Pick
    1 High River Bucks Downie, Steve RW COL
    2 Lucan Ghost Kaberle, Tomas D MON
    3 Wabamun Oil Ducks Havlat, Martin RW SJ***************
    4 Winnipeg Jets Selanne, Teemu RW ANA
    5 Bowden Ball Busters Liles, John-Michael D TOR
    6 Kitchener Park Bunnies Lecavalier, Vincent C TB
    7 Hanna Haymakers Johansson, Marcus C WAS
    8 Red Deer Rustlers Gonchar, Sergei D OTT 3 hrs
    9 Sherwood Park Flames Bobrovsky, Sergei G CLB
    10 Leduc Oil Kings Kuba, Filip D FLA 9 hrs 19 min 21 sec
    11 Kananaskis Kodiaks Vlasic, Marc-Edouard D SJ
    12 Ontario Beavers* Atkinson, Cam RW CLB 0 sec
    13 Leduc Oil Kings Plekanec, Tomas C MON
    14 Lethbridge Leprechauns Fisher, Mike C NSH
    15 Dawson City DonkeyPunch Steen, Alexander C STL
    16 Sherwood Park Flames Peverley, Rich C BOS
    Round 5
    Pick
    1 High River Bucks No Pick (Skipped)
    2 Lucan Ghost Coburn, Braydon D PHI
    3 Picture Butte Sugar Kings Foligno, Nick LW CLB
    4 Winnipeg Jets Petry, Jeff D EDM 2 hrs 6 min
    5 Bowden Ball Busters Kunitz, Chris LW PIT
    6 Kitchener Park Bunnies Ryder, Michael RW DAL
    7 Hanna Haymakers Erat, Martin RW NSH
    8 Saskatoon Sex Pistols Franson, Cody D TOR
    9 Sherwood Park Flames Josi, Roman D NSH
    10 Leduc Oil Kings Schwartz, Jaden C STL
    11 Kananaskis Kodiaks Setoguchi, Devin RW MIN
    12 Ontario Beavers* Nyquist, Gustav C DET
    13 Wabamun Oil Ducks Barberio, Mark D TB***************
    14 Lucan Ghost Hornqvist, Patric RW NSH
    15 Dawson City DonkeyPunch Penner, Dustin LW LA
    16 Red Deer Rustlers McQuaid, Adam D BOS
    Round 6
    Pick
    1 High River Bucks No Pick (Skipped)
    2 Lucan Ghost Etem, Emerson RW ANA
    3 Picture Butte Sugar Kings No Pick (Skipped)
    4 Winnipeg Jets Neil, Chris RW OTT
    5 Bowden Ball Busters Dupuis, Pascal LW PIT
    6 Kitchener Park Bunnies Alzner, Karl D WAS
    7 Hanna Haymakers Umberger, R.J. LW CLB
    8 Saskatoon Sex Pistols Martin, Paul D PIT
    9 Sherwood Park Flames Kreider, Chris LW NYR
    10 Leduc Oil Kings Tinordi, Jarred D MON
    11 Kananaskis Kodiaks Scandella, Marco D MIN
    12 Ontario Beavers* Poulin, Kevin G NYI 0 sec
    13 Wabamun Oil Ducks Brunner, Damien C DET ****************
    14 Lethbridge Leprechauns Hansen, Jannik RW VAN
    15 Dawson City DonkeyPunch Eller, Lars C MON
    16 Red Deer Rustlers* Erixon, Tim D CLB
    Round 7
    Pick
    1 High River Bucks No Pick (Skipped)
    2 Lucan Ghost Malone, Ryan LW TB
    3 Picture Butte Sugar Kings No Pick (Skipped)
    4 Winnipeg Jets Trouba, Jacob D WPG
    5 Bowden Ball Busters Gagner, Sam C EDM
    6 Kitchener Park Bunnies No Pick (Skipped)
    7 Hanna Haymakers Samuelsson, Mikael RW DET
    8 Saskatoon Sex Pistols Raymond, Mason LW VAN
    9 Sherwood Park Flames Silfverberg, Jakob RW OTT
    10 Leduc Oil Kings Glennie, Scott RW DAL
    11 Kananaskis Kodiaks Sullivan, Steve LW PHO
    12 Ontario Beavers O'Reilly, Ryan C COL
    13 Wabamun Oil Ducks Conacher, Cory LW TB ****************
    14 Lethbridge Leprechauns Wilson, Ryan D COL
    15 Dawson City DonkeyPunch No Pick (Skipped)
    16 Red Deer Rustlers* Rattie, Ty RW STL
    Round 8
    Pick
    1 High River Bucks No Pick (Skipped)
    2 Lucan Ghost No Pick (Skipped)
    3 Picture Butte Sugar Kings No Pick (Skipped)
    4 Winnipeg Jets Theodore, Jose G FLA
    5 Bowden Ball Busters No Pick (Skipped)
    6 Kitchener Park Bunnies No Pick (Skipped)
    7 Hanna Haymakers Konopka, Zenon C MIN
    8 Saskatoon Sex Pistols Booth, David LW VAN
    9 Sherwood Park Flames Khudobin, Anton G BOS
    10 Leduc Oil Kings No Pick (Skipped)
    11 Kananaskis Kodiaks Larsen, Philip D DAL
    12 Ontario Beavers* Daley, Trevor D DAL
    13 Wabamun Oil Ducks Vatanen, Sami D ANA ***************
    14 Lethbridge Leprechauns Hudler, Jiri LW CGY
    15 Dawson City DonkeyPunch No Pick (Skipped)
    16 Red Deer Rustlers No Pick (Skipped)
    Round 9
    Pick
    1 High River Bucks No Pick (Skipped)
    2 Lucan Ghost No Pick (Skipped)
    3 Picture Butte Sugar Kings No Pick (Skipped)
    4 Winnipeg Jets No Pick (Skipped)
    5 Bowden Ball Busters No Pick (Skipped)
    6 Kitchener Park Bunnies No Pick (Skipped)
    7 Hanna Haymakers No Pick (Skipped)
    8 Saskatoon Sex Pistols Wolski, Wojtek LW WAS
    9 Sherwood Park Flames No Pick (Skipped)
    10 Leduc Oil Kings No Pick (Skipped)
    11 Kananaskis Kodiaks No Pick (Skipped)
    12 Ontario Beavers* Shaw, Andrew RW CHI 0 sec
    13 Wabamun Oil Ducks Palmieri, Kyle C ANA ******************
    14 Lethbridge Leprechauns No Pick (Skipped)
    15 Dawson City DonkeyPunch No Pick (Skipped)
    16 Red Deer Rustlers No Pick (Skipped)


    I think I missed out big on Shultz and Kreider. CBS is horrible for finding players, and worse for ranking them, so you just don't see them until you search deep. Shultz still shouldn't have got to me as I would have had him as the first D taken. Kreider I thought was already on a team, I was just as lee at the wheel. I traded up because I felt it was the multi-cat Lucic and everyone else as far as skaters go. I din't improve my back up goalie, but quick will play most of the time anyway, and someone will appear on waivers eventually for me to drop Emery. I also got scooped on Nyquist. I was sure I was going to land him in round 5, but he got taken one pick before me. If I could go back, I would have taken him in round 4. But around the middle of round 4 is when the AHL stats came purring in, so players who were doing really well started to get grabbed by those that normally don't pay too much attention to inexperienced players.
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    C- B. RICHARDS, E. STAAL, WEISS
    W- FILPPULA (DUAL), LUCIC, ZETTERBERG, VRBATA, MCGINN, DOWNIE, C. WILSON, CONACHER
    D-KEITH, J. JOHNSON, FAULK, FRANSON, DEMERS, VOYNOV
    G-QUICK, FASTH
    MINORS- JENNER, VATANEN, J. ALLEN, J. GIBSON


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    CATS:GOALIE GAA/W/SO/S

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    Can you repost/clarify your trades?

    You traded Datsyuk and Hartnell for 2nd and 3rd rounders, and MSL for Grabovski?

    Was there a reason you had to trade them? Cuz the players chosen are much worse.

    Guess Quick is solid in nets, but he had back surgery and Emery isn't even a starter.

    Your D is much worse, from Chara and Byfuglien to White and Voynov.
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    As it states in the top, it's a contract league. We sign a player for 1-4 years. And each year we can re-sign one player, and a player can only be re-signed once. So I had Datsyuk, Byfuglian, St. Louis, Campbell, Hartnell, Crawford, I White, Vrbata, and one or two more with expired contracts. I could only re-sign one. Then I traded for Quick, who's contract was also up, and he became the obvious guy to re-sign. If I didn't trade those guys for other GM's to re-sign they would have become free agents in the draft.
    H2H CONTRACT POOL
    C- B. RICHARDS, E. STAAL, WEISS
    W- FILPPULA (DUAL), LUCIC, ZETTERBERG, VRBATA, MCGINN, DOWNIE, C. WILSON, CONACHER
    D-KEITH, J. JOHNSON, FAULK, FRANSON, DEMERS, VOYNOV
    G-QUICK, FASTH
    MINORS- JENNER, VATANEN, J. ALLEN, J. GIBSON


    CATS:SKATER +-/G/A/SOG/PM
    CATS:GOALIE GAA/W/SO/S

    ANY WEEK WE PLAY 2C,4W,4D,1G

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    Ok thanks for clarification. i just haven't played in these contract leagues, seems to try to prevent a team from staying a dynasty.
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    Man, it must have been tough to have to gut your team like that.

    I see why you went the way you did. Having Quick in net, barring a catastrophic injury, should be as solid as it gets. I might have tried to grab a better back-up than Emery just for safety's sake. A guy like Elliott in the 3rd (over Despres) or Bobrovsky in the 4th might have been nice. My thinking is if you're going to give the spot to someone he might as well have the capability of giving you points. And if Quick goes down you're pretty much sunk, considering the weighing of the categories.

    With the 1st overall I think you made the right call. Lucic will help you everywhere, so I probably would have done the same thing. It's a damn shame you missed out on Kreider and Schultz, but it looks like you weren't the only one that made that mistake. I can't imagine anyone taking Stalberg, Bouwmeester or a bunch of the other guys that went ahead of Schultz if they had known he was available. Same with Kreider. Penner? McQuaid? Alzner?

    I'd be tempted to just roll out Zidlicky, Nikitin, Voynov and Faulk as my 4D every week, if that's an option. Might seem a bit strange, but I don't think White is going to get you anything more than any of them. I feel strongly that his +/- is going to take a huge hit this year without Lidstrom to bail him out. The guy I would have loved to land would have been Downie.

    Tough luck that Nyquist went 1 pick ahead of you, but Barberio was probably the best D prospect option available. Might have looked at Erixon, but it's really a toss up at this point. Getting Conacher in the 7th makes a lot of sense too.

    I think you made a great pick with Brunner. If he can keep it up with Datsyuk (or is it Zetterberg... I forget) then he could be a great piece for you. Potentially even more valuable than Kreider.

    I like the Vatanen pick - I've got him in 2 leagues myself - but I might have been tempted to go for Hudler. That goes into my "run 4 defensemen" idea, but Hudler will be given a lot of time to click in Calgary because they are paying him so much coin. Who knows if it'll last, but he'll get his shot.

    Tough to comment on the last pick in the draft because I don't know who would have been available to you with that pick, but Palmieri seems as good a pick as any.

    All told I think you made out fairly well. Getting all those picks was a pretty amazing feat, even though they seem so lopsided. If you hadn't your team would be a lot worse. Hindsight is 20/20, but I'd be happy with that what you did if I were you, Kreider and Schultz aside.
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    I don't like Having Emery on my team either. But it seems there is always someone that pops up on waivers. So, I decided to wait it out to find a backup. Nabby is actually still available when waivers start. I'm also hopeful that is one of the prospects I picked late just comes bolting out of the gate, I can turn that into some trade value. I knew having a gutted team was going to be brutal. But I didn't want to know I was going to be average at best going in. That's why instead of the Hudler and Kuniz type guys, I just gambled. Taking guys that good exceed that level,or fail miserably. There are always guys like cleary etc. on the waiver wire.
    H2H CONTRACT POOL
    C- B. RICHARDS, E. STAAL, WEISS
    W- FILPPULA (DUAL), LUCIC, ZETTERBERG, VRBATA, MCGINN, DOWNIE, C. WILSON, CONACHER
    D-KEITH, J. JOHNSON, FAULK, FRANSON, DEMERS, VOYNOV
    G-QUICK, FASTH
    MINORS- JENNER, VATANEN, J. ALLEN, J. GIBSON


    CATS:SKATER +-/G/A/SOG/PM
    CATS:GOALIE GAA/W/SO/S

    ANY WEEK WE PLAY 2C,4W,4D,1G

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