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    Personally, I'd pick up Andrei Markov.
    The band-aid boy is the one defenseman that could jump out of the gates and put up 10pts in 10games.

    There are a lot of solid guys on your waiver-wire..
    When this is the case (lots of options) you take the one guy with the highest sex-appeal (fantasy-hockey-wise).
    That player is Markov.

    If he's injured to start the season... you can always pick up one of the other options, and most will still be there... so no worries about taking a risk on Markov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    Personally, I'd pick up Andrei Markov.
    The band-aid boy is the one defenseman that could jump out of the gates and put up 10pts in 10games.

    There are a lot of solid guys on your waiver-wire..
    When this is the case (lots of options) you take the one guy with the highest sex-appeal (fantasy-hockey-wise).
    That player is Markov.

    If he's injured to start the season... you can always pick up one of the other options, and most will still be there... so no worries about taking a risk on Markov.
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    Even with these peripherals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky71 View Post
    12 team H2H keeper
    G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, SOG, FW, HIT
    W, GAA, SV*, SV%, SHO



    Even with these peripherals?
    Well... no.
    SHP almost never factors in.
    FOW won't factor in for defense.
    So it's the base 6 categories (G/A/+-/PIM/PPP/SOG) + Hits.

    As actual fantasy-value in this pool goes, the OP is going to want a defenseman that can chalk up a lot of HITS.

    But what I'm talking about is "trade value".
    If Markov gets off to a fast-start, he's got bigtime trade value.
    Much higher than anybody else in that group.

    The point is... a healthy-Markov would be "perceived" as the most valuable (by far) of that group. He'd be snatched up in an instant from the waiver-wire if he catches fire.
    And even with Hits factored in... I bet an offensive-powerhouse Markov could be more valuable than all these guys.

    Grabbing a guy for HITS can be done at any time... these guys are ALWAYS around. I often just grab a guy based on having a 4-game week.
    So anyways... Markov for the sex-appeal. (Not for the actual fantasy-value).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    Well... no.
    SHP almost never factors in.
    FOW won't factor in for defense.
    So it's the base 6 categories (G/A/+-/PIM/PPP/SOG) + Hits.

    As actual fantasy-value in this pool goes, the OP is going to want a defenseman that can chalk up a lot of HITS.

    But what I'm talking about is "trade value".
    If Markov gets off to a fast-start, he's got bigtime trade value.
    Much higher than anybody else in that group.

    The point is... a healthy-Markov would be "perceived" as the most valuable (by far) of that group. He'd be snatched up in an instant from the waiver-wire if he catches fire.
    And even with Hits factored in... I bet an offensive-powerhouse Markov could be more valuable than all these guys.

    Grabbing a guy for HITS can be done at any time... these guys are ALWAYS around. I often just grab a guy based on having a 4-game week.
    So anyways... Markov for the sex-appeal. (Not for the actual fantasy-value).
    Ah...ok for the trade value gotcha.

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    i don't see markov having any value...
    perceived or otherwise...
    regardless of how or if he starts the season...

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    Quote Originally Posted by InnocentBystander View Post
    i don't see markov having any value...
    perceived or otherwise...
    regardless of how or if he starts the season...
    Yeah me neither. I think pretty much all fantasy GM's have already given up on him - regardless of what he does on the ice from now on. He's an aging player with an injury risk attached to him and a hot start won't change that. He'll be viewed as such no matter what and has hardly any trade value.

    I honestly can't see any scenario in which you'd be able to move Markov for Justin Faulk in a keeper league from now on. So my advice is again to go with Faulk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    So anyways... Markov for the sex-appeal. (Not for the actual fantasy-value).
    In keeper leagues the sex-appeal is always on younger players and on potential. Faulk has big time sex-appeal right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carcillo View Post
    In keeper leagues the sex-appeal is always on younger players and on potential. Faulk has big time sex-appeal right now.

    It depends.
    We here on DobberHockey are hip to all the up-and-coming kids.

    But... not all hockey pools are like that.

    For example, I help one of my buddies with his points-only keeper.
    It's 13 teams, each counting 6F,4D (most rostering a 5th).
    That's 65 defensemen in play.

    Justin Schultz AND Justin Faulk were both untouched this year in the redraft.
    90% of hockey pool people buy a physical magazine as their guide to do their draft. Until the hockey season starts, they aren't making any moves.

    If Faulk is available on the wire at this point... he'll sit there for a bit longer... likely until his NHL-stat-line is recognizeable.


    WE (here on Dobberhockey) represent probably the upper 10% of fantasy hockey minds... or so I'm finding.
    This is mostly good... but sometimes we have to step back and pretend we are just buying our yearly magazine.
    [Side story: In his rookie year, my buddy had Tyler Seguin on his roster. The trade deadline came and he/we couldn't even unload Seguin and we had to straight drop him. He was a redraftable player for his 2nd season in the NHL. That would never happen in a fantasy hockey league with smarter minds.]

    Just out of curiousity... does anybody have a magazine prediction on Markov? Faulk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    Just out of curiousity... does anybody have a magazine prediction on Markov? Faulk?
    mckeens has:

    faulk - 35
    markov - 30

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    There is something I'm not understanding here. If hits do indeed carry equal value to points Then a player like Luke Schenn, who had 270 hits compared to a player like Erik Karlsson who had 60 is extremely valuable. How valuable you ask? Take any selection of top D's, and do the math and compare it to Schenns numbers, and you will see that the difference is minmal.

    Once again I apologize in advance if I'm not seeing this right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky71 View Post
    There is something I'm not understanding here. If hits do indeed carry equal value to points Then a player like Luke Schenn, who had 270 hits compared to a player like Erik Karlsson who had 60 is extremely valuable. How valuable you ask? Take any selection of top D's, and do the math and compare it to Schenns numbers, and you will see that the difference is minmal.

    Once again I apologize in advance if I'm not seeing this right.

    It's a good point.
    As actual-value goes... Schenn is the highest rated value defenseman (of the OP's listed free agents).
    Attached is my own mathematical model for a 7-cat league including Hits.

    Luke Schenn comes in at #27. (for 2012-2013 stats)
    Fantasy-trade-value not considered... I agree... he's the guy.
    Defensemen should be drafted for PIM & Hits - so Schenn is a perfect fit.

    (again... Markov is only a trade-value opinion... by actual fantasy-value, I concur on Schenn.)
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    Justin Faulk all the way for me...if this is a keeper league.
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