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    Recently I drafted a team in the DobberEntry league (Smythe Division).
    I thought it would be interesting to compare the four division drafts on one page and see where the mindsets were of 60 fantasy hockey geeks.

    Dobber Entry leagues count:
    G/A/+-/PIM/SOG/PPP/ +HITS
    W/SV/GAA
    The Dobber Entry leagues have 15-teams & use "weekly" roster sets.

    See attached for the top 100 picks (by average: ADP).


    Notes:
    1. The top eight players were the same in all four leagues.

    2. There was some crazy randomness in the #9 pick, perhaps making it the hardest spot to draft from this year.

    3. I've compared a player's actual draft position to his average draft position (ADP, shaded yellow) and created a heat chart.
    Red on orange = HOT. Hot pick is a nice pick, drafting team got the player a lot later than his ADP.
    Blue on blue = COLD. Cold pick is a significant reach by the drafting team.

    4. The grey players had similar draft position in all leagues. Perhaps these are the players we feel have the most reliable value.


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    Jimmy Howard at ninth overall? Yikes...

    And Patty Sharp ninth overall in Smythe? Wow...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    Recently I drafted a team in the DobberEntry league (Smythe Division).
    I thought it would be interesting to compare the four division drafts on one page and see where the mindsets were of 60 fantasy hockey geeks.

    Dobber Entry leagues count:
    G/A/+-/PIM/SOG/PPP/ +HITS
    W/SV/GAA
    The Dobber Entry leagues have 15-teams & use "weekly" roster sets.

    See attached for the top 100 picks (by average: ADP).


    Notes:
    1. The top eight players were the same in all four leagues.

    2. There was some crazy randomness in the #9 pick, perhaps making it the hardest spot to draft from this year.

    3. I've compared a player's actual draft position to his average draft position (ADP, shaded yellow) and created a heat chart.
    Red on orange = HOT. Hot pick is a nice pick, drafting team got the player a lot later than his ADP.
    Blue on blue = COLD. Cold pick is a significant reach by the drafting team.

    4. The grey players had similar draft position in all leagues. Perhaps these are the players we feel have the most reliable value.


    Enjoy.
    I really enjoyed that comparision; did you carry on with the remainder of the draft by chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johner View Post
    I really enjoyed that comparision; did you carry on with the remainder of the draft by chance?
    I do have the whole thing, I'll post a few more tomorrow:
    *Players 101-200
    *Players 201-300
    *Players 301-400

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    Wow nice work putting this together! appreciate all the effort you put in!!
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    Goaltenders went in a very strange way in the Norris Division IMO.

    4. Lundqvist
    6. Rinne
    7. Quick
    11. Rask
    17. Fleury
    18. Ward
    21. Miller
    22. Smith
    23. Bryzgalov
    24. Price
    25. Schneider
    26. Lehtonen
    27. Lindback
    28. Howard
    41. Kiprusoff
    42. Hiller
    45. Luongo
    48. Niemi
    58. Anderson
    61. Backstrom
    79. Varlamov
    84. Pavelec
    89. Holtby
    98. Brodeur
    100. Dubnyk
    116. Crawford

    It seems pretty clear that the same goalie rush shenanigans that went down in the Expert's Draft also went down here but I'be highlighted a few real shockers for me.

    Lindback went in the run way at the beginning? That's a risky pick given some of the goalies still out there. Varlamov feels like a steal at 79 given what went down earlier and Crawford simply fell too far.
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    Wow! awesome job Pengwin.

    sucks that I don't have any hot pick eek:
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    Great job Pengwin! Interesting to see the relative draft positions...

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    Awesome work Pengwin... Always love pulling up those spreadsheets you create. This was nicely done as usual!
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    Players 301-400
    *Players that were not drafted in a league are all marked as same rank, player #376 (waivers).
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    Nice job Pengwin. Your listing of hot and cold players got me thinking about expanding that somewhat more. So what I did was was I went through every team player by player and did the following calculation for every player:

    draft position - average draft position

    So if you managed to draft a player much later than where he went on average, you'd get significant plus and if you drafted much earlier than average, you'd get significant minus. Now sum these up for every team for every player and you end up with a cumulative total which essentially tells at where you managed to draft players relative to their average draft positions.

    Now if the GM's are good at valuing players as a group, these totals could be used as predictions of the final standings. I hope we don't miss the whole season as I am interested to see whether these type of predictions have any predictive power. So it would effectively test how good the collective wisdom of this group is at valuing the players at the draft.

    Here are the results for Entry leagues.

    Code:
    Norris		
    		
    The Eh Team		195,25
    Burnsy's Gri...		121,75
    2toRuutu2toT...		113
    Renegade War...		50,75
    Krunk Nation		38,25
    Hall Me Maybe		11
    Return of Da...		1,75
    RedRobster22		-24,25
    Bardown Bandit		-128,75
    Iceholes		-139
    Art Vandelay		-145
    ShippinItDaily		-159
    Nuckleheads		-167,75
    youngblood		-181,5
    The Barons		-247,75
    Code:
    Patrick		
    		
    Crosby Laich Semin	261,5
    Orange Hitters		160
    Mr.Sieve		133,25
    Karpat Oulu		101,25
    Cookie's Monsters	25,25
    Hamms HC		0,5
    manWithaSharkHead	-39,25
    Elder's Mind Tricks	-86,25
    Crooked Vulture		-93
    Le KopiTzar		-128,5
    Dangles HC		-139,25
    onthebeach96		-150
    Crazynuck		-156,25
    Broadstreet Bullies	-188
    Duncan's Teeth		-581
    Code:
    Smythe		
    		
    Rougie			124,5
    SuluShattenk		116,5
    Hawkdog7mm		18,25
    Nickel City		-9,25
    Savages			-29,25
    That Bird Team		-52,25
    Scurvy			-56,5
    Blades of Steel		-64,75
    Bearflaggers		-67
    PopCultureRe...		-77,5
    Fantômas		-89,75
    From Russia with 'ov	-95,75
    Goatlenders		-121,5
    AxeHoles		-234,5
    Prognosis Ne...		-279,25
    Code:
    Adams		
    		
    RikkiTikki		144,75
    Maters Taters		142,75
    Nosferatootoo		100,5
    Prkal8r			95,5
    Vozzy81			67,5
    PykoPucKiller		38,5
    Hosers			20,5
    The Flying Elbows	-3,75
    Pad My Stats		-19,75
    Great Whites		-99,5
    Cyber Tuna		-120,25
    Miami Blades		-174,75
    Nordiques		-212,75
    Roll Of The Dice	-278
    The Spezzaghetis	-372,25
    If you are interested in the spreadsheet I used to see your team's breakdown player by player for example, send me a PM.
    Last edited by temek; October 19, 2012 at 2:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkdog View Post
    Wow nice work putting this together! appreciate all the effort you put in!!
    I second this comment !! Awesome Job
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    Quote Originally Posted by temek View Post
    Nice job Pengwin. Your listing of hot and cold players got me thinking about expanding that somewhat more. So what I did was was I went through every team player by player and did the following calculation for every player:

    draft position - average draft position

    So if you managed to draft a player much later than where he went on average, you'd get significant plus and if you drafted much earlier than average, you'd get significant minus. Now sum these up for every team for every player and you end up with a cumulative total which essentially tells at where you managed to draft players relative to their average draft positions.

    Now if the GM's are good at valuing players as a group, these totals could be used as predictions of the final standings. I hope we don't miss the whole season as I am interested to see whether these type of predictions have any predictive power. So it would effectively test how good the collective wisdom of this group is at valuing the players at the draft.

    Here are the results for Entry leagues.

    Code:
    Norris		
    		
    The Eh Team		195,25
    Burnsy's Gri...		121,75
    2toRuutu2toT...		113
    Renegade War...		50,75
    Krunk Nation		38,25
    Hall Me Maybe		11
    Return of Da...		1,75
    RedRobster22		-24,25
    Bardown Bandit		-128,75
    Iceholes		-139
    Art Vandelay		-145
    ShippinItDaily		-159
    Nuckleheads		-167,75
    youngblood		-181,5
    The Barons		-247,75
    Code:
    Patrick		
    		
    Crosby Laich Semin	261,5
    Orange Hitters		160
    Mr.Sieve		133,25
    Karpat Oulu		101,25
    Cookie's Monsters	25,25
    Hamms HC		0,5
    manWithaSharkHead	-39,25
    Elder's Mind Tricks	-86,25
    Crooked Vulture		-93
    Le KopiTzar		-128,5
    Dangles HC		-139,25
    onthebeach96		-150
    Crazynuck		-156,25
    Broadstreet Bullies	-188
    Duncan's Teeth		-581
    Code:
    Smythe		
    		
    Rougie			124,5
    SuluShattenk		116,5
    Hawkdog7mm		18,25
    Nickel City		-9,25
    Savages			-29,25
    That Bird Team		-52,25
    Scurvy			-56,5
    Blades of Steel		-64,75
    Bearflaggers		-67
    PopCultureRe...		-77,5
    Fantômas		-89,75
    From Russia with 'ov	-95,75
    Goatlenders		-121,5
    AxeHoles		-234,5
    Prognosis Ne...		-279,25
    Code:
    Adams		
    		
    RikkiTikki		144,75
    Maters Taters		142,75
    Nosferatootoo		100,5
    Prkal8r			95,5
    Vozzy81			67,5
    PykoPucKiller		38,5
    Hosers			20,5
    The Flying Elbows	-3,75
    Pad My Stats		-19,75
    Great Whites		-99,5
    Cyber Tuna		-120,25
    Miami Blades		-174,75
    Nordiques		-212,75
    Roll Of The Dice	-278
    The Spezzaghetis	-372,25
    If you are interested in the spreadsheet I used to see your team's breakdown player by player for example, send me a PM.
    Do you want to do one for the experts as well, it'd be an interesting discussion point.
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