[Trade] Kyle Turris to Ottawa for Rundblad/2nd

[Old_Smokie]

and yes, you've made dozens of 'good calls', if you didn't i wouldn't keep coming would i? Cheers

that's what she said!

[Big Ev]

Then he cannot accept he made a mistake. Not a great trait for a GM. Lets have a poll Tarasenko vs Turris (ignoring the 2nd). Wouldnt be close. Whether he had scouts or not doesnt translate to the current value depletion he has created with those 2 trades. Horrible.

If they kept that pick they wouldn't have picked Tarasenko. End of discussion. He's one of the more overrate prospects on here anyway.

[bondon]

Just a thought I had last night, and this may end up being a post that ends up dying and doesn't get a reply but I thought I'd throw the question out there for Sens fans and anyone else who has a better take on the situation than I do.

Kind of like when we talk about trades that get questioned for 'veto' on these boards, we often say 'did the other team do their due diligence to shop their players involved for a better deal'

Put aside whether you think Ottawa necessarily won/lost the deal for a second, my question is do you think Ottawa could have gotten a BETTER deal elsewhere given the pieces they gave up.

(And I apologize if someone already asked this earlier, I haven't been following the past 30 something posts lol)

[JagrBomb]

might have been a dumb move, but ottawa is still taking chances and trying to make a good move. they now traded for a former 6th overall and 3rd overall (filatov and turris). i always thought turris would be the best out of him/jvr/kane, so heres to hoping i was right. im rooting for turris in ottawa!

[fungchen3]

my question is do you think Ottawa could have gotten a BETTER deal elsewhere given the pieces they gave up.

Absolutely.

I made the same point in my initial reaction to the trade. Young (cheap), mobile defensemen who can move the puck and provide offense are a rare and extremely valuable commodity in today's NHL.

If Murray put Rundblad on the block and shopped him, the offers would have been flooding the phone lines. But Murray was overwhelmed with the "opportunity" to land Turris so he was in "counteroffer" mode as the buyer here and not the seller.

Not to mention the 2nd rounder which has very good "value" itself as an asset. Put it this way, if Ottawa called Philly, the Flyers most likely would have been willing to move Schenn and maybe more for just Rundblad. It also makes a lot of sense to think teams like NJ, Islanders, Wings, Bruins, Oilers, Pens, Leafs, as well as others would have shown some genuine interest.

I see why Rundblad may have been expendable with the Sens - although once Gonchar is done (which is soon) a PP duo of Karlsson/Rundblad could have been absolutely lethal. Who's Karlsson's future sidekick now...Cowen? I also think Ottawa realizes they might be a better team THIS year than they originally thought and figured a more proven player could help them immediately...I'm just not sold on Turris and think the Sens could have landed better assets if they properly shopped Rundblad.

[dyzfunctioned]

I can see a lot of teams having been willing to cough up a lot for Rundblad. Oilers, Philly, NYR, etc. etc.

However, I know in the eyes of OTT management that they really liked Turris.

So do I think they overpaid? Yes. Do I think they could have got more if they shopped around? Yes.

But we'll see what happens in a few years.

[bondon]

Interesting you should mention Schenn. I always have difficulty gauging real NHL value but I would be surprised if the Flyers would be willing to deal Schenn let alone Schenn+ for a relatively unproven commodity in Rundblad.

What I wonder if perhaps now with Phoenix having a handful of good top-end potential defenders is whether or not the Flyers would be willing to part with Schenn + for OEL or something along those lines.

Anyways I would be curious to hear what other players might have been acquirable from other teams for Rundblad + 2nd

[slufoot]

Since when is Schenn superior to Turris? Schenn is basically a Dustin Brown clone that plays C instead of the wing.

[fungchen3]

Since when is Schenn superior to Turris? Schenn is basically a Dustin Brown clone that plays C instead of the wing.

What "clone" is Turris? A Canadian version of Filatov? Turris has skills but he's slender, weak and brings absolutely no other intangibles to the game than offense (which even that has been underwhelming with 46 career points). GMs don't operate their teams like we do in fantasy - a player with leadership qualities and tons of intangibles to go along with decent offense are highly coveted by managers and coaches. Who would most NHL GMs rather have right now: Dustin Brown or Ales Hemsky? If Turris doesn't turn out to be a semi-significant point producer, he's worthless. Schenn is projected to be a safe player who could score 60-65 points while delivering hits, winning draws, killing penalties and taking on a main leadership role.

[fungchen3]

Interesting you should mention Schenn. I always have difficulty gauging real NHL value but I would be surprised if the Flyers would be willing to deal Schenn let alone Schenn+ for a relatively unproven commodity in Rundblad.

Fair point b0ndon. The Flyers love Schenn to the point they weren't willing to include him in a potential Bobby Ryan deal. But this comes down to need for the Flyers and they really need a young, mobile defenseman who is capable of playing in the top 4 (maybe even top pairing) and be a main PP QB. They also have Briere, Giroux and Couturier up the middle with the luxury of having Talbot play his natural C position as well. Pronger is likely finished and Timonen is getting up there in age - Rundblad would have been the exact type of young player the Flyers would like to get into their system. Just IMO of course.

[Atomic Wedgy]

I don think that PHO is done dealing. They have a glut of good defensive prospects/players.

Does OEL and say Brett McLean get you Schneider? They could really use some help in goal.

Does OEL and say Gormley get you Weber?

Imagine Yandle passing the puck to Weber on the PP.... Lethal.

[fungchen3]

I don think that PHO is done dealing. They have a glut of good defensive prospects/players.

Does OEL and say Brett McLean get you Schneider? They could really use some help in goal.

Does OEL and say Gormley get you Weber?

Imagine Yandle passing the puck to Weber on the PP.... Lethal.

I actually think the Coyotes and the Flyers make good trading partners. I think OEL alone would get Schneider but the Canucks have no use (or spot) for Brett MacLean.

OEL and Gormley would not get Weber because the Predators are loaded with young offensive blueliners and IF they were to move Weber it would be to booster their offense I would think.

I could see a deal around one of the Coyotes better defensemen for a package involving Brayden Schenn. Whether that D-Man is Yandle or OEL depends on how sweet the package is from the Flyers end. It will take Schenn plus something else significant to land Yandle...not sure about OEL.

[Big Ev]

A PP with one LH shot and one RH shot on the point is the ideal way to run a PP IMO. That's why Karlsson-Rundblad probably were never gonna consistently be on the same unit. A Cowen-Karlsson tandem already performed better in limited action then when Rundblad was with Karlsson. Gonchar and Karlsson work very well together as one is a LH shot one is RH, so the one-timer is available on each side of the point. With Rundblad-Karlsson somebody would be playing their off-side on the PP. That's not to say it couldn't work one day, but I think they prefer it better to have the one-timers on each side.

Anyways, I think we can pretty much conclude that this trade isn't made if Karlsson didn't develop into the player he is and will become.

[Atomic Wedgy]

I'd be ok with seeing Schenn go if it means getting a replacement for Pronger. I dont want a prospect tho, I want a player ready now. Yandle would be good, but I would want someone with more if a mean streak. At least someone who will fight if they have to. It does not have to be a leg stomper like Pronger, but you get what I mean.

[fungchen3]

A PP with one LH shot and one RH shot on the point is the ideal way to run a PP IMO. That's why Karlsson-Rundblad probably were never gonna consistently be on the same unit. A Cowen-Karlsson tandem already performed better in limited action then when Rundblad was with Karlsson. Gonchar and Karlsson work very well together as one is a LH shot one is RH, so the one-timer is available on each side of the point. With Rundblad-Karlsson somebody would be playing their off-side on the PP. That's not to say it couldn't work one day, but I think they prefer it better to have the one-timers on each side.

Anyways, I think we can pretty much conclude that this trade isn't made if Karlsson didn't develop into the player he is and will become.

Good points all around buddy. Kaberle-McCabe and Souray-Markov were two deadly PPs that were both same shot, but in a perfect world a Righty and Lefty would be teamed up. Here's another question for you...do you see Cowen being "that guy" with Karlsson on the PP? And how do you rate Cowen offensively? Reason I ask is I have a 2 round draft on Friday and Cowen is available. I really don't need another D but if Cowen could be that guy, I might look into it further.