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    Quote Originally Posted by Carcillo View Post
    No he shouldn't. This isn't about player upsides, this is predicting the scoring leaders for 2014-15 season. A factors taken into account are possible injuries, down years for players or teams in overall, etc. I nor you can't know why the OP came up to his numbers but maybe he sees Stamkos playing only 60? or 70? games, or maybe he sees Tampa struggling all year or taking the 1-3-1 system to whole new level etc. Or maybe he just simply disagrees with you on Stamkos' upside (a player's upside isn't a proven fact, something you couldn't disagree with others). Can't know that but there's no reason for the OP to change his predictions just because you disagree with it.
    Sure of course not, but if he wants them to be correct and win that bet then he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT319 View Post
    Sure of course not, but if he wants them to be correct and win that bet then he will.
    Like Eric said above you, it's more of a correct (with predictions it's stupid to use the word correct) to have the prediction lower than the player's upside. Better to play it safe, especially if there's money involved. Not every player will play up to their max upside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carcillo View Post
    Like Eric said above you, it's more of a correct (with predictions it's stupid to use the word correct) to have the prediction lower than the player's upside. Better to play it safe, especially if there's money involved. Not every player will play up to their max upside.
    It's not his max upside though it is his skills-set in and of himself his upside is like 60G-120 which while awesome and all across the board and one of the best skater and best pure shooter in the entire sport that's a bit much. 94 is way too low as Stamkos is at least 50G range and 100 points easy, particularly when he's got Tavares at 102 who absolutely nothing on Stamkos, maybe in tight finishing ability and I wouldn't even give him that personally. If that's his boy and he wants to pump his tires so be it, but if he wants to win the pool legitimately then Stamkos needs to go up to 100 easy and Tavares down like 85 for those two to be within the realm of accurate. Trust me on that one, if nothing else, if he legitimately wants to win this bet.

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    By the 2014-2015 season Marty St Louis might not still be playing at super-hobbit levels any more so Stamkos will probably be around 85-90 pts in my opinion. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by MT319 View Post
    It's not his max upside though it is his skills-set in and of himself his upside is like 60G-120 which while awesome and all across the board and one of the best skater and best pure shooter in the entire sport that's a bit much. 94 is way too low as Stamkos is at least 50G range and 100 points easy, particularly when he's got Tavares at 102 who absolutely nothing on Stamkos, maybe in tight finishing ability and I wouldn't even give him that personally. If that's his boy and he wants to pump his tires so be it, but if he wants to win the pool legitimately then Stamkos needs to go up to 100 easy and Tavares down like 85 for those two to be within the realm of accurate. Trust me on that one, if nothing else, if he legitimately wants to win this bet.

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    Sure you are probably closer to being correct than the OP but that is not the point. It's a prediction. The OP is predicting something (such as Martin St. Louis retiring, for example) being a factor for him putting up a point total in 2015 that is in line with his current career best. To say that 94 is a joke, well that's a joke.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wendelclark17 View Post
    By the 2014-2015 season Marty St Louis might not still be playing a super-hobbit levels any more so Stamkos will probably be around 85-90 pts in my opinion. :P
    That is why I have him were he is. I might of even put him lower but I think in the back of my mind some were well I was making the list something was telling me if you don't give Stamkos at least 90 MT will come and get you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Youngblood View Post
    Not a bad list but I would move Giroux higher (much higher) and Kane should be higher than Toews. I will give it a go:

    Crosby = 115
    Malkin = 105
    Stamkos = 100
    Ovechkin =97
    Giroux = 97
    Backstrom = 95
    Kane = 93
    Kopitar = 93
    Tavares = 90
    Perry = 87
    Nugent-Hopkins = 85
    B.Ryan = 84
    D.Sedin = 84
    H.Sedin-83
    Skinner = 82
    Seguin = 82
    Duchene = 82
    Semin = 81 (if he's still around)
    Eriksson = 80
    Pavekski = 77
    Yakupov = 76 (not Yakapov )
    Datsyuk = 76
    Toews = 75
    Hall = 72
    MacKinnon = 65

    I included all of the players you listed originally just to have my thoughts in there but also added new ones (bolded). I probably have too many guys clearing 80 and even 90 but I will leave it as is in hopes of a scoring surge haha
    Nice I think I like your's better then mine. I completely forgot about Seguin and Kopitar when we made the list. We didn't have any references to look at just top of head... and I was thinking Backstrom get's traded aftr 2 more 1st round losses in the playoffs lol..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT319 View Post
    Stamkos at 94 is a joke points-wise...that's like saying he hit his upside his 2nd year in the NHL and completely ignoring both how solid skill-wise across the board and the 60+G-120+ pace he had up until the February-March slump as a 21 year old no less. Would definitely restate his point totals to at least 100 if you want to legitimately win this bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbabybuda View Post
    Were's your list
    His list was already sent to the year 2014 where it will unfold exactly as planned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbabybuda View Post
    Were's your list
    Crosby- career over via Concussion
    Tavares - 78
    Malkin - 89 via James Neal inflating him
    Ovechkin - in KHL via NHL no longer allowing players to participate in the Olympics
    Stamkos - 105
    Toews - 88
    Hall - 80
    Giroux - 93
    H.Sedin - retired
    RNH - 78
    D. Sedin - retired
    Perry- 72
    P.Kane - 93
    E.Kane - 98
    Benn - 81
    Seguin- 94

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    Just for the fun of it going with some bold ones.

    Backstrom = 107
    Tavares = 101
    Kopitar = 101
    Ovechkin =98
    Seguin= 97
    Stamkos = 95 ( think as well he suffers from loosing Marty)
    Giroux = 91
    Yakupov= 90
    Malkin = 90
    Getzlaf = 89
    Skinner = 88
    P. Kane = 87
    Semin = 86
    Crosby = 85 ( trying the bold prediction saying the golden child will never play a full season again , hope i´m not right)
    Granlund = 84
    Perry = 83
    Duchene = 82
    Toews = 82
    Benn= 81
    B.Ryan = 81
    Stastny= 80
    Eriksson = 81
    Nugent-Hopkins = 80
    Huberdeau= 78
    Eberle= 74
    D.Sedin = 76
    H.Sedin-78
    Hall = 76
    Pavelski = 73
    Couture= 72
    Datsyuk = 74
    E.Kane 72
    Burmistrov = 70
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    1.Crosby-117
    2.Stamkos-112
    3.Ovechkin-106
    4.Malkin-102
    5.Giroux-96
    6.Tavares-94
    7.Kopitar-91
    8.Benn-88
    9.P.Kane-88
    10.seguin 86
    11.Hall-85
    12.Hopkins-82
    13.Duschene-82
    14.D.Sedin-80
    15.H.Sedin-80
    16.Yakupov-77
    17.Eriksson-75
    18.Mckinnon-74
    19.Skinner-73
    20.Eberele-71

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    Quote Originally Posted by prins View Post
    1.Crosby-117
    2.Stamkos-112
    3.Ovechkin-106
    4.Malkin-102
    5.Giroux-96
    6.Tavares-94
    7.Kopitar-91
    8.Benn-88
    9.P.Kane-88
    10.seguin 86
    11.Hall-85
    12.Hopkins-82
    13.Duschene-82
    14.D.Sedin-80
    15.H.Sedin-80
    16.Yakupov-77
    17.Eriksson-75
    18.Mckinnon-74
    19.Skinner-73
    20.Eberele-71

    This will be the top 20 2014-15 100%
    If that is 100% then what is the fate of Bobby Ryan...he die in a car accident?

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    Thread needs more Karlsson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Ev View Post
    Thread needs more Karlsson
    It's not fair you guys going to 20 lol. If I went to 20 I would have thrown Karlsson in there with71 pts b0ndon

    You know what I find the most interesting about all of our lists? Is how much more scoring we all see coming in the next 3years.
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