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    A friend of mine and I were having an argument the other day about who would be better in 3yrs Tavares vs Giroux. It was actually brought on by a tread here. So we proceed to make a nice size bet on it and instead of stopping there, after a couple more rum and cokes we decided to bet on the top 15 scoring leaders for the 2014-2015 season. I think it was kind of a fun idea. So here are my picks. I'd like to see what some of you guys pick!

    Crosby- 128
    Tavares - 102
    Malkin - 101
    Ovechkin - 98
    Stamkos - 94
    Toews - 92
    Hall - 91
    Yakapov - 90
    Giroux - 87
    H.Sedin - 86
    RNH - 83
    D. Sedin - 82
    Perry- 80
    Mackinnon - 75
    P.Kane - 73


    Please keep in mind we did our lists off the top of our heads and were a somewhat smashed at the time

    I realize I left out a couple obvious guys (Backstrom ect) but I I had to throw some guys young kids in there to make it more fun for me...
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    Interesting idea and list. I agree with most of it. I would probably take Toews off the list all together and put Backstrom in there in his place, with the same points. You can pretty much guarantee if OV is getting 98, Backstrom is right there with him. I just dont see Toews every getting more then 75 points but thats just my opinion and I think a few more would get 80+ to bump your last couple off the list. I can see Kane with 80+ for quite a few seasons though.
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    Not a bad list but I would move Giroux higher (much higher) and Kane should be higher than Toews. I will give it a go:

    Crosby = 115
    Malkin = 105
    Stamkos = 100
    Ovechkin =97
    Giroux = 97
    Backstrom = 95
    Kane = 93
    Kopitar = 93
    Tavares = 90
    Perry = 87
    Nugent-Hopkins = 85
    B.Ryan = 84
    D.Sedin = 84
    H.Sedin-83
    Skinner = 82
    Seguin = 82
    Duchene = 82
    Semin = 81 (if he's still around)
    Eriksson = 80
    Pavekski = 77
    Yakupov = 76 (not Yakapov )
    Datsyuk = 76
    Toews = 75
    Hall = 72
    MacKinnon = 65

    I included all of the players you listed originally just to have my thoughts in there but also added new ones (bolded). I probably have too many guys clearing 80 and even 90 but I will leave it as is in hopes of a scoring surge haha

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    LOL, Deaner loves prediction threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    LOL, Deaner loves prediction threads.
    LOL, Pengwin7 loves stalking "prediction threads" haha

    It was either posting here or in MT's pouty twitter thread again

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbabybuda View Post
    A friend of mine and I were having an argument the other day about who would be better in 3yrs Tavares vs Giroux. It was actually brought on by a tread here. So we proceed to make a nice size bet on it and instead of stopping there, after a couple more rum and cokes we decided to bet on the top 15 scoring leaders for the 2014-2015 season. I think it was kind of a fun idea. So here are my picks. I'd like to see what some of you guys pick!

    Crosby- 128
    Tavares - 102
    Malkin - 101
    Ovechkin - 98
    Stamkos - 94
    Toews - 92
    Hall - 91
    Yakapov - 90
    Giroux - 87
    H.Sedin - 86
    RNH - 83
    D. Sedin - 82
    Perry- 80
    Mackinnon - 75
    P.Kane - 73


    Please keep in mind we did our lists off the top of our heads and were a somewhat smashed at the time

    I realize I left out a couple obvious guys (Backstrom ect) but I I had to throw some guys young kids in there to make it more fun for me...
    Stamkos at 94 is a joke points-wise...that's like saying he hit his upside his 2nd year in the NHL and completely ignoring both how solid skill-wise across the board and the 60+G-120+ pace he had up until the February-March slump as a 21 year old no less. Would definitely restate his point totals to at least 100 if you want to legitimately win this bet.

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    Cool list!


    I'd probably add Jamie Benn to it too, in the high 80s low 90s range.
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    I could try but I could almost guarantee I'd be blatantly wrong. haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT319 View Post
    Stamkos at 94 is a joke points-wise...that's like saying he hit his upside his 2nd year in the NHL and completely ignoring both how solid skill-wise across the board and the 60+G-120+ pace he had up until the February-March slump as a 21 year old no less. Would definitely restate his point totals to at least 100 if you want to legitimately win this bet.
    So what your really saying is that Malkin has yet to reach his upside as his two best years were his 2nd and 3rd....?
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    Nuh-uh. You guys are missing the obvious.

    Later this season Paajarvi gets traded to the Leafs for [ Cody Franson + 3rd pick, $1000 giftcard to Burke's DogHouse ] and becomes Phil Kessels setup man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Youngblood View Post
    LOL, Pengwin7 loves stalking "prediction threads" haha
    Yes, yes... I do.

    But seriously - I'm a big fan of anybody willing to put their neck out there and make predictions that are documented for future reference. Most people just find one item to criticize on somebody else's list. I've been on both sides of this fence.

    Anyways - REP to both of you for the efforts (& risks) for making a list.

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    Sidney Crosby 140
    Mikael Granlund 130
    Evgeni Malkin 115
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramps View Post
    So what your really saying is that Malkin has yet to reach his upside as his two best years were his 2nd and 3rd....?
    I know you are just messing around but that's not what I'm saying as one was inflated beyond his true value relative to his skill-set (ie; Malkin assist heavy low 90's range talent inflated to 100+ range via Crosby) where as Stamkos has at least a 50G-100 point skill-set in his own right with or without St.Louis. Exactly why you want Stamkos over Malkin when push comes to shove between the two.

    Malkin is irrelevant though, point is Stamkos is better than 94 point talent no question so he should switch that up. Seguin is more the 94 point guy and Stamkos is a cut-above and Tavares easily below both of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT319 View Post
    Malkin is irrelevant though, point is Stamkos is better than 94 point talent no question so he should switch that up. Seguin is more the 94 point guy and Stamkos is a cut-above and Tavares easily below both of them
    No he shouldn't. This isn't about player upsides, this is predicting the scoring leaders for 2014-15 season. A factors taken into account are possible injuries, down years for players or teams in overall, etc. I nor you can't know why the OP came up to his numbers but maybe he sees Stamkos playing only 60? or 70? games, or maybe he sees Tampa struggling all year or taking the 1-3-1 system to whole new level etc. Or maybe he just simply disagrees with you on Stamkos' upside (a player's upside isn't a proven fact, something you couldn't disagree with others). Can't know that but there's no reason for the OP to change his predictions just because you disagree with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carcillo View Post
    No he shouldn't. This isn't about player upsides, this is predicting the scoring leaders for 2014-15 season. A factors taken into account are possible injuries, down years for players or teams in overall, etc. I nor you can't know why the OP came up to his numbers but maybe he sees Stamkos playing only 60? or 70? games, or maybe he sees Tampa struggling all year or taking the 1-3-1 system to whole new level etc.
    Hence why predicting Stamkos at 94 for a single-season is not a bad idea at all. Some players have off years for a number of reasons. In fact I can't argue anyone on any of the lists as long as the point total is within their actual upside (saying David Jones will hit 100 would be dumb, for example).

    I think a more representative list would be to list pro-rated point totals. That (mostly) eliminates the injury factor and leaves it primarily to development and environment.
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