David Rundblad - A little context

[JagrBomb]

Yeah, Karlsson's offensive flair is off the charts. IMO he's the most exciting offensive defenseman outside of Mike Green (Big Buff is fun too). If Rundblad compares to him at the NHL level he will be something else.

id say subban is more exciting than karlsson.

[fungchen3]

id say subban is more exciting than karlsson.

Maybe all-around he is - because PK hits and causes trouble. But when it comes to generating offense, Karlsson grabs the puck and it's giddyup time! I love watching him play.

[Dean Youngblood]

One side benefit of this thread is the Erik Karlsson love, music to these ears!

That's because you quoted Big Ev


In all seriousness, I need to see Karlsson prove he can play defence before saying that he's capable of reaching his tremendous upside. His plus-minus was atrocious. Yes, he's young enough to correct that but I want to see himimprove there so that he can log those big minutes needed to reach his upside

Both Rundblad and Karlsson appear to be good prospects

[ross10019]

That's because you quoted Big Ev


In all seriousness, I need to see Karlsson prove he can play defence before saying that he's capable of reaching his tremendous upside. His plus-minus was atrocious. Yes, he's young enough to correct that but I want to see himimprove there so that he can log those big minutes needed to reach his upside

Both Rundblad and Karlsson appear to be good prospects

I was quoting Big Ev, but what caught my attention was the Pierre Dorion statement regarding Karlsson that he posted (not that I don't trust what BigEV has to say!).

Everyone harps on Karlsson's plus minus from last year, which was admittedly awful, but let's keep in mind (a) he was a +1 in the final 16 games of the season (scoring 12 points in that span); and (b) it was a team issue, the vets didn't do much better, Phillips (drafted 1st overall in 1999) finished at -35, Kuba was -26, Fisher and Alfredsson were both -19 in only 55 games each, Gonchar -15. Karlsson played no 1 D minutes (23:31 on average) on one of the worst teams in the league, a team going through an upheaval, and yes he is still a little raw offensively, but things are looking up.

Anyway, I didn't pick him up for his two-way acumen, I picked him up for the one-timer PP rockets he'll be firing over the shoulders of downtrodden NHL netminders over the next 10 years!

[Big Ev]

That's because you quoted Big Ev


In all seriousness, I need to see Karlsson prove he can play defence before saying that he's capable of reaching his tremendous upside. His plus-minus was atrocious. Yes, he's young enough to correct that but I want to see himimprove there so that he can log those big minutes needed to reach his upside

Both Rundblad and Karlsson appear to be good prospects

Prospect? Karlsson appears to be a good ALL-STAR. How can you still call him a prospect?

Like I said, he's not amazing on defence but he was nowhere near -30 bad. He will never be an amazing defender, but his stickwork on D is very very good. It's just his positioning and letting guys go the outside because he is having trouble pivoting. Obviously you're gonna be a bad minus player if you play 23+ minutes per game and your team is near last in GA.

[Big Ev]

I think there should be a thread called "Plus/minus - a little context" to show that +/- is the most irrelevant stat in the league!

[Dean Youngblood]

Big Ev,

I used the term "prospect" for Rundblad not Karlsson. My wording was poor.

On a side note, I am curious, have you ever played the game of hockey?

[Big Ev]

Big Ev,

I used the term "prospect" for Rundblad not Karlsson. My wording was poor.

On a side note, I am curious, have you ever played the game of hockey?

No I haven't (ice hockey), only a bit as a young kid.

That doesn't mean that I can't say that +/- is the most irrelevant stat in hockey, if that's the direction you were headed with that question. You don't have to have played the game to know it well (again, if that's the direction you were headed with that question...if not, nevermind).

However, the one instance where +/- is fitting if is a guy is -30 and the rest of his team is in the +, or something like that (or the opposite, where a guy is +10 and onward and everyone else is in the minus).

Rest of the time, +/- is high if you're on a good team, low if you're on a bad team...it's pretty much that simple.

[fungchen3]

+/- is the worst stat in all of professional sports.

Matt Carle, PHI +30
Nicklas Lidstrom, DET -2

Case closed.

[Scribe]

No I haven't (ice hockey), only a bit as a young kid.

That doesn't mean that I can't say that +/- is the most irrelevant stat in hockey, if that's the direction you were headed with that question. You don't have to have played the game to know it well (again, if that's the direction you were headed with that question...if not, nevermind).

However, the one instance where +/- is fitting if is a guy is -30 and the rest of his team is in the +, or something like that (or the opposite, where a guy is +10 and onward and everyone else is in the minus).

Rest of the time, +/- is high if you're on a good team, low if you're on a bad team...it's pretty much that simple.

You're partly right. But you should also add that the role a player has on a team can greatly affect his plus-minus. Playing a defensive shutdown role and not being on the ice with good offensive players can reduce the opportunity for a plus. Some players log a lot of tough minutes while others feast on other team's fourth-line scrubs.

[Atomic Wedgy]

+/- is the worst stat in all of professional sports.

Matt Carle, PHI +30
Nicklas Lidstrom, DET -2

Case closed.

Lidstrom has always been over rated.

[fungchen3]

Lidstrom has always been over rated.

Rotfl

Could you imagine?

[austeane]

I know right lol. The hype on Rundblad is off the charts right now. Good luck landing him right now. Reminds me of Jamie McBain last year - the hype was outlandish. Rundblad hype might be even more crazy.

Haha ya I think I am going to wait until about halfway through the season to nab him in my dynasty... Inexperienced owner + decent squad= possibly taking advantage of him when Rundblad only had 12 points halfway through.

[donpaulo]

hopefully the Senators put him in a situation where he can excel

things are starting to look up in Kanata

[Citadel32]

AS if this thread could not get any more detailed (awesome analysis)

But the season for Lidstrom that you mentioned (94/95) where he put up .92 per game,

he only played in 13 games, notching 12 points as seen below....


Regular season Playoffs
Season Team League GP G A Pts +/− PIM GP G A Pts +/− PIM
1988–89 Västerås IK SEL 20 0 2 2 — 4 — — — — — —
1989–90 Västerås IK SEL 39 8 8 16 — 14 2 0 1 1 — 2
1990–91 Västerås IK SEL 38 4 19 23 — 2 4 0 0 0 — 4
1991–92 Detroit Red Wings NHL 80 11 49 60 36 22 11 1 2 3 −5 0
1992–93 Detroit Red Wings NHL 84 7 34 41 7 28 7 1 0 1 −2 0
1993–94 Detroit Red Wings NHL 84 10 46 56 43 26 7 3 2 5 4 0
1994–95 Västerås IK SEL 13 2 10 12 — 4 — — — — — —
1994–95 Detroit Red Wings NHL 43 10 16 26 15 6 18 4 12 16 4 8
1995–96 Detroit Red Wings NHL 81 17 50 67 29 20 19 5 9 14 2 10
1996–97 Detroit Red Wings NHL 79 15 42 57 11 30 20 2 6 8 12 2
1997–98 Detroit Red Wings NHL 80 17 42 59 22 18 22 6 13 19 12 8
1998–99 Detroit Red Wings NHL 81 14 43 57 14 14 10 2 9 11 0 4
1999–00 Detroit Red Wings NHL 81 20 53 73 19 18 9 2 4 6 -6 4
2000–01 Detroit Red Wings NHL 82 15 56 71 9 18 6 1 7 8 1 0
2001–02 Detroit Red Wings NHL 78 9 50 59 13 20 23 5 11 16 6 2
2002–03 Detroit Red Wings NHL 82 18 44 62 40 38 4 0 2 2 −1 0
2003–04 Detroit Red Wings NHL 81 10 28 38 19 18 12 2 5 7 4 4
2005–06 Detroit Red Wings NHL 80 16 64 80 21 50 6 1 1 2 −4 2
2006–07 Detroit Red Wings NHL 80 13 49 62 40 46 18 4 14 18 0 6
2007–08 Detroit Red Wings NHL 76 10 60 70 40 40 22 3 10 13 8 14
2008–09 Detroit Red Wings NHL 78 16 43 59 31 30 21 4 12 16 11 6
2009–10 Detroit Red Wings NHL 82 9 40 49 23 24 12 4 6 10 7 4
2010–11 Detroit Red Wings NHL 82 16 46 62 -2 20 11 4 4 8 8 4
SEL totals 110 14 39 53 — 32 6 0 1 1 — 6
NHL totals 1494 253 855 1108 429 486 258 54 129 183 61 76

I may take him first overall in our draft this season after seeing this post.
over RNH and Lansekog,