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Savvy1982 12-28-2012 02:17 PM

Do I pick up Shattenkirk?
 
Hey folks, infrequent poster here, but I always appreciate the help.

I have an opportunity to acquire Kevin Shattenkirk for nearly nothing, but I'm wondering if he's an upgrade over anyone on my current roster. I have to drop one of: Fowler, Yandle, Goligoski, or Campbell in order to fit him in.

League tracks: G,A, PPG, PPA, SHG, SHA, GWG, H, S, BLK, and gives a negative .5 point for each PIM.

Is Shattenkirk an upgrade here?

arctic_rogue 12-28-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy1982 (Post 1048244)
Hey folks, infrequent poster here, but I always appreciate the help.

I have an opportunity to acquire Kevin Shattenkirk for nearly nothing, but I'm wondering if he's an upgrade over anyone on my current roster. I have to drop one of: Fowler, Yandle, Goligoski, or Campbell in order to fit him in.

League tracks: G,A, PPG, PPA, SHG, SHA, GWG, H, S, BLK, and gives a negative .5 point for each PIM.

Is Shattenkirk an upgrade here?

Considering it's a keeper league, I'd drop Campbell and grab Shattenkirk in a hurry.

Southpaw20 12-28-2012 02:32 PM

Yes dropping Campbell for Shattenkirk for sure

Pengwin7 12-28-2012 02:48 PM

Gosh... in a league counting H (Hits?) & BkS... you've got some light-weight defensemen. None of these guys do the rough stuff.

I'd definitely grab Shattenkirk.

I'd cut Campbell or... wait for it... Fowler {gasp}.

I know we all saw Fowler's 40pt rookie year as very nice... and things only to get better, but this Anaheim team might be losing Perry & Getzlaf in the summer. There's not much offense there... it could be a very bad team. Fowler doesn't rack up much in the way of peripherals and there's no fantasy bonus for being a good D on a bad team. Florida seems to have a little more up & coming than does Anaheim.

ps. Welcome (back) to the forums for your post #2!

Call of Doughty 12-28-2012 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savvy1982 (Post 1048244)
Hey folks, infrequent poster here, but I always appreciate the help.

I have an opportunity to acquire Kevin Shattenkirk for nearly nothing, but I'm wondering if he's an upgrade over anyone on my current roster. I have to drop one of: Fowler, Yandle, Goligoski, or Campbell in order to fit him in.

League tracks: G,A, PPG, PPA, SHG, SHA, GWG, H, S, BLK, and gives a negative .5 point for each PIM.

Is Shattenkirk an upgrade here?

Well hello Christmas; Shatty for next to nothing! My ears are all in a flutter! In a win now mode, I'd drop Goli for Shats and keep the assist machine Campbell. If in re-build mode, I'd drop Campbell for Shatty easily. But it would be nice to sell off Campbell for some assests if possible.

Shats, Fowler, and Yandle would be a great top 3 to build on.

welcome to the boards!
COD

STONE. 12-28-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by arctic_rogue (Post 1048245)
Considering it's a keeper league, I'd drop Campbell and grab Shattenkirk in a hurry.

I dunno. Campbell put up HUGE numbers last year (points and PPP). The guy finished 2nd in the league among D for points and had the most PPP! The fact that Shattenkirk is unowned makes me think it's not a realy deep league as well. How on earth is he unowned?

Shattenkirk would be an improvement in +/-, but he gets more PIM.
More than anything, I'd be looking to deal Campbell before grabbing Shattenkirk. Both should be owned in just about any league.

Is there a mediocre forward you could drop instead? You can always deal a D when the season gets rolling.

horrorfan 12-28-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savvy1982 (Post 1048244)
Hey folks, infrequent poster here, but I always appreciate the help.

I have an opportunity to acquire Kevin Shattenkirk for nearly nothing, but I'm wondering if he's an upgrade over anyone on my current roster. I have to drop one of: Fowler, Yandle, Goligoski, or Campbell in order to fit him in.

League tracks: G,A, PPG, PPA, SHG, SHA, GWG, H, S, BLK, and gives a negative .5 point for each PIM.

Is Shattenkirk an upgrade here?

Since you mention point values for PIM, is this a points league where all the categories have a specific value, a weighted roto league, a H2H points league, etc? This could be significant in making a decision as assumptions are being made on the value of multiple category players. For example, if hits and blocks aren't weighted as highly as more offensive categories, then it may not be as important to roster stronger multiple category contributors.

How many do you keep? You should probably list your entire roster by position and number of starters. Also, you mention you have to drop one of those D - is that a rule?

Furthermore, you say you can acquire him for 'nearly nothing.' Is this just via a pickup or trade?

And just to note, as it was mentioned in a response, that Campbell is only 32 so I wouldn't use age as a reason to part with him just yet, as he should have plenty of productive seasons ahead, depending on how you value him. But of course the question above about your categories and whether they are weighted could have an effect on your decision.

The more details you provide, the better advice you will receive. Perhaps create a signature with all your league and roster details? Top bar > USER CP > Edit Signature (on left).

Welcome (back) to the forum.

Savvy1982 12-28-2012 03:39 PM

The lack of "rough" defencemen is due to the penalty for accruing PIM in any real sense. Lots of hits tends to end up negated by a similarnumber of PIM in this league, which has made Campbell an absolute stud for me, as he racks up the points with little to no PIM drawback. (For clarification, Hits are worth .05 BlK are .1 and PIM are -.05 not -.5 as I erroneously stated earlier).

As to the age of my team, I have exactly one player over the age of 30, and he's my backup goalie (Niemi), otherwise I've been loading up on prospects, and through a firesale of veterans I've managed to pick up some great young talent in RNH, Galchenyuk, Granlund, Tarasenko, and Yakupov, to complement a solid core of guys either in, or just hitting their prime (Benn, Parise, Toews).



Quote:

Originally Posted by Pengwin7 (Post 1048249)
Gosh... in a league counting H (Hits?) & BkS... you've got some light-weight defensemen. None of these guys do the rough stuff.

I'd definitely grab Shattenkirk.

I'd cut Campbell or... wait for it... Fowler {gasp}.

I know we all saw Fowler's 40pt rookie year as very nice... and things only to get better, but this Anaheim team might be losing Perry & Getzlaf in the summer. There's not much offense there... it could be a very bad team. Fowler doesn't rack up much in the way of peripherals and there's no fantasy bonus for being a good D on a bad team. Florida seems to have a little more up & coming than does Anaheim.

ps. Welcome (back) to the forums for your post #2!


bigbabybuda 12-28-2012 07:50 PM

Shattenkirk is a stud period...

dmvincent 12-28-2012 10:05 PM

Try to trade Fowler first. If you're unsuccessful at that, simply drop him. Your D improves immensely with this move.

Quite frankly, I would be surprised if you can't find a team to take him. See if you can address another need on your team. He still has lots of potential, just needs time to develop at the NHL level.


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